By 2035 , INS Vikramaditya & MiG-29K wil be relegated to training roles. Besides the Rafales can't be accommodated on the IAC-1 , it can't even land there .
Hopefully TEDBF & Rafales would be interchangeable aboard IAC-2 & 3 .
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Hopefully TEDBF & Rafales would be interchangeable aboard IAC-2 & 3 .
I doubt sir. IN was flying Harrier till 2012 and they will have less aircrafts and more aircraft carriers so they have to fly the Mig-29k untill IAC-3 comes online.
Rafale must be able to accommodate and land on IAC-1.
Yes , the MiG-29K & IAC -1 will be in operation for at least another decade from today. We've no choice in the matter , however sub par the performance of either platforms. Hopefully by 2032 we'd receive the IAC-3 . In the initial yrs till we receive the full complement of the TEDBF it'd be either the MiG-29 or Rafales on board the IAC-3 .
It depends on how fast we progress the TEDBF program. There are also rumours of another 8-10 odd Rafales being ordered depending on how the TEDBF program progresses. Unnecessary IMO . What will we do with the TEDBF then . But some mismatch in the timing of both the platforms ( IAC-3 & TEDBF ) can be expected . The IN needs to move fast to secure approval for the IAC-3 . We need to begin construction no later than 2025.
It can't . The arresting gears & the elevators aren't designed to handle the Rafales IIRC . Hopefully someone with more knowledge will elaborate on the topic .
As of now both R11 and R33 will fly the Mig29K. Let's wait and watch for when the MRCBF is signed.
Because keep in mind, from 42% to 32% to now 25%, that's the maximum limit on CAPEX which can be used on direct imports.
Now Navy cannot force Boeing to setup P8I assembly in India right? So whatever Navy choses, can only happen if the vendor sets up an assembly line in India for 26 airframes.
Hopefully the IAC 1 sister ship has widened elevator as an improvement... besides the electric propulsion. .
Feb going to end..
Macron visit is nearing..
Still, no news leaks or anything???
Is it going to be only MoU?
1 month to go, unused Capex???
Feb going to end..
Macron visit is nearing..
Still, no news leaks or anything???
Is it going to be only MoU?
1 month to go, unused Capex???
We had a Chinese spy balloon over ANC and Akash SAM is unable to reach that altitude.
What's missing ?
Hint : A dedicated fighter squadron based out of the 4 airfields in A&N.
What are you saying. IAF should have a squadron of Rafales stationed at Andaman & Nicobar? Or MKIs with AShM maybe.
1. Do we need an fighter jet squadron? Yes sure. Ideally maybe 2. What's the point of having an unsinkable aircraft carrier without aircrafts?
2. Does IAF hold assets to do it? No
Also fast-track XRSAM and BMD-2 and deploy it all across India protecting critical military and infra. A&N already has a Su-30 squadron if my memory serves me right!
The reason why the IAF doesn't station high value assets there is because of the severe losses it took during the 2004 tsunami . In the true traditions of the Indian Armed services little to nothing was done to improve facilities , I'm guessing , in the nearly 2 decades since .
There used to be a periodic detachment of some MKIs & Jaguars before . No clue about it today. Ideally we should continue the arrangement on a permanent basis & if we can't locate the MKIs there permanently we could at least do so for the Jaguar IMs .
In an emergency A&N is the responsibility of the Kalaikunda AFB . The Chinese balloons couldn't be shot down as we don't have planes which can fly to those heights except the MiG-29s . The only other planes we had which could easily & regularly did attain such heights were the MiG-25 Foxbats which we utilised for reconnaissance & which were retired long ago .
Tells you of the ingenuity of Chinese thinking on exploiting loopholes using cheap non lethal options & how IAF is part of the same herd mentality lapping up western doctrines as their gospel.
In 2016s plans were afoot to improve and extend facilities at all 4 airports.
But as per latest info available from Google maps, work is on for only 1. That will allow take off and landing of P8I, but without hanger , it permanent deployment will be difficult.
For fighters out of 4, the most safe one can be made the base.
Yeah, thanks. Used to read reports about Su-30s taking off from A&N years ago.
Su-30MKI with Brahmos should be permanently based there to deter Chinese Carrier Strike Group to enter our waters.
There's a reason UK maintains a permanent presence of EF2000s in Falklands.
Ours ANC is such an strategic point in the globe. 2 squadrons of Multirole fighters, tankers, AWACs , shore based Anti Ship Missiles, a couple of frigates.... These all needs to be permanently deployed.
A Su30MKI flying from ANC will not only be able to choke the Malacca , but also the Sunda Strait.
100% choke. That's huge capacity at very little investment we are ignoring.
Maybe we can build an underground base/hanger!
Jaguar can't hold a candle to the firepower of MKI. MKI with Brahmos-A (over 800kms range @Mach 3+) is the most lethal combo for our enemies for ground strike or sea-strike role.
We are going to upgrade at max only 150 Su-30s. We should convert the rest 110/120 as Brahmos carriers, IMO. And voilà we've a substantial fleet of mini-bombers.
Not doubting Foxbats or Fulcrums, our Su-30MKI can climb pretty high too. Look at the its flight envelope(with current engines):
As you can see it can climb almost upto 17.5/18 kms. That's its service ceiling. Max ceiling would be even higher than that.
Why do you say so?
This has less to do with our resources more to do with the kind of sick defensive mindset our babus in the foreign office & China Study Group have long been espousing failing to see Doklam or even Galwan till it smacked them in their noses.
The idea being if we militarise the A&N the Chinese would react adversely & probably set up a base in the Coco Islands of Myanmar or the Chittagong port . Well , they seem to be in the process of doing so anyway or at least they're trying their best & utilising whatever they can .
It's only after that we'd wake up . There was talk of building a deep sea transhipment harbour in the A&N recently including converting it into a tourist hub . Let's see if an upgradation of defense infrastructure will accompany or follow it .
Just my 2 cents.
The civilian building structures at Veer Savarkar Airport in Port Blair is nearing completion.
That should be the closest when we might get an update on activities on other three airports on our unsinkable aircraft carrier.
I'm sure there are better alternatives just that we're not in the mood to explore them . Check my previous post .
Agreed . I proposed it as a stop gap measure in the absence of basing a dedicated fleet of MKIs there due to "strategic hesitation."
We should be upgrading the entire fleet of the MKIs irrespective of how many are outfitted to carry the Brahmos A . We desperately need them in the forthcoming war against China .
It definitely can but that would be stretching it's capacity . I believe it can do 20,000 mtrs max. These balloons normally fly at 65000 ft + .
Coz that's how they frame their tech specs on tenders. If the western AFs decide speed isn't to be emphasized nor manoeuvrability but only avionics & sensor package then that's how we proceed . No originality of thought or caught between 2 different doctrines - east as represented by the ex SU / Russia & the west - as represented by the US , France , UK etc .
That's a pity. I thought we were developing infrastructure in A&N. The government is probably trying to avoid escalation with the Chinese. Even the latest defence budget is pretty modest. No significant increase. I guess they believe it's cheaper to solve territorial conflicts with diplomacy wrt China for the time being.
We should be taking the initiative instead of merely reacting. Government likes to talk big about thinking long term but action is the need of the hour. Infra in Arunachal is a welcome step but the Ocean is where the real game is being played we are losing our edge. Not even mentioning PN's expansion here.
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