Why are we even discussing this non-essential issue. Its just optics for local consumption that dgispr floats!!
Islamic Republic of Pakistan : News, Discussions & Updates
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You were ready to put all your eggs in China's basket saying super power China will stop India .. What happened ? Did the Chinese abandonment of that road in doklam when Indian Army stopped them, change your mind ?
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But, the problem is crazy Pakistanis will sell their soul, just to be able to stand up to India. Begging the US, does not matter to them..
2 killed, 16 injured in Quetta IED blast: police
By Syed Ali ShahJuly 23, 2019
At least two people were killed and 16 others injured in an improvised explosive device (IED) blast on Quetta's Eastern Bypass area on Tuesday evening, police said.
Quetta DIG Abdul Razzaq Cheema confirmed the incident and said that unknown miscreants had planted the explosive device in a motorcycle and parked it outside a medical store.
The injured were rushed to Civil Hospital Quetta and an emergency was declared in the hospital.
Razzaq Cheema said that two victims of the blast succumbed to their injuries on their way to the hospital. He added that all the injured were civilians.
He said that the culprits and motive behind the attack were yet to be ascertained. Police and other law enforcement agencies personnel reached the sport and an investigation was underway.
A total of 119 people — including 15 police personnel — were killed and 114 injured in terrorism-related incidents in Balochistan during 2018. As many as 25 terrorists were killed in encounters and 55 arrested in 1,245 intelligence-based operations (IBOs) in the province.
2 killed, 16 injured in Quetta IED blast: police - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
By Syed Ali ShahJuly 23, 2019
At least two people were killed and 16 others injured in an improvised explosive device (IED) blast on Quetta's Eastern Bypass area on Tuesday evening, police said.
Quetta DIG Abdul Razzaq Cheema confirmed the incident and said that unknown miscreants had planted the explosive device in a motorcycle and parked it outside a medical store.
The injured were rushed to Civil Hospital Quetta and an emergency was declared in the hospital.
Razzaq Cheema said that two victims of the blast succumbed to their injuries on their way to the hospital. He added that all the injured were civilians.
He said that the culprits and motive behind the attack were yet to be ascertained. Police and other law enforcement agencies personnel reached the sport and an investigation was underway.
A total of 119 people — including 15 police personnel — were killed and 114 injured in terrorism-related incidents in Balochistan during 2018. As many as 25 terrorists were killed in encounters and 55 arrested in 1,245 intelligence-based operations (IBOs) in the province.
2 killed, 16 injured in Quetta IED blast: police - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Before they get funds, the elections will be there in US in 2 years and may be Trump might lose , when the opposition comes to power they are naturally going to favor Pakistan, this is why the meeting happened now.
Pakistan has invested their everything at one place. They don't have anything left to invest anywhere. These uneducated radicalized boys shall be the main source of suicide bombers for PA and ISI. So they are making it sure that they will never be short of resources. They are the people with foresight.
Opposition leaders are cherry picked to eleminated genuine democratic leaders. No action on corrupt Raheel Sharif or Kiyani and other military generals who has grabbed hundreds of acres of land of posh Lahore areas.
Make fun,call us beggars, terrorists.will it change anything? Nothing.i am with pm modi and I will support his each step for kashmir.i like his concept of mediation.finally a leader come forward.a leader who dare to talk about kashmir.ab ki baar,modi sarkar!
Very interesting piece here, looks like tariffs and tweets did not get trump the deals that he wants, so he has raised the ante. Guess Modi will have to buy a 100 F-21s to calm down Trump
Trump is no fool & this is why he deliberately lied about Modi's Kashmir request
Trump is no fool & this is why he deliberately lied about Modi's Kashmir request
Not foresight.. It is a road to the Gates of hell. Pakistan is destroying it's economic future and the future of its children for fleeting tactical gains... as they say.. Pakistan Army is brilliant at tactics, but very poor when it comes to strategy..
Sarcasm hmm.. does not suit you though..
Setting up a dangerous precedent here, next time anyone wants to export something to us they would do the same thing as Trump. We are better off ignoring him then awarding him for off the cuff comments.
If he persists with it, up our tariffs on US products. That's the only language he understands.
Not really.. given India's dependencies it is only the two great powers US and Russia, that can do this.. China tried using the Kashmir card during Doklam stand off, but India didn't back off.. India needs to deal with Trump with tact.. Germany or UK would have their *censored* handed to them if they tried this stunt.. We need another 10 or 20 years to become strong enough to completely resist such pressure... And only a competent local Military industrial complex, and a strong economy would help us do that...
These two statements are a bit contradictory. Historically its often in areas where tech was denied to us that we ended up creating competence. Look at how many types of missiles we make, compare that to our fighter aircraft making expertise or the lack of it. Reason for that is simple, we could always buy FAs, be that from the erstwhile Soviet Union, France, UK and so on. But we could never buy ballistic missiles as nobody will sell it to us. Thank the world for that, if it wasn't for that we wouldn't be making so many missiles ourselves today.
Now US want a piece of that FA market. We are not going to build expertise or any competent aviation industry by buying from the Americans. They wouldn't share the most important stuff anyway. Case in point, how is the jet engine working group under the DTTI working out ? We are a market to them and helping us develop stuff will decrease their chances of making a future sale.
The reason I don't agree with this "Trump is angry, gotta buy some F-16s" business is pretty obvious. Look at the S-400 debacle, we will buy S-400 because its what we need, we will also buy NASAMS coz gotta keep the Americans happy. What is the need of a NASAMS here ? How will these systems work together ? very important questions these are, but why would the US care about that ? as long as they made some money they are happy. The logistical pain of this will be on us. Just like buying F-16 and Rafales will be a logistical nightmare.
If we buy stuff today to keep somebody happy, make no mistake we will be doing that tomorrow too and the day after that too.
China's expertise remains at making roads, not fighting in a protracted proxy war. Matter of fact their attempt at whipping up insurgency in NE is faltering pretty badly. Check out this thread :
Internal Counter-Terror Ops by Indian Security Forces and NIA : News and Updates
As for the rest of them, they don't matter. Germany, UK and for that matter the rest of Europe excluding the French don't really matter to our strategic interests. They are, what would be considered, a good to have addition but not absolutely crucial. So let's not lose our minds over what they say, their utterances have negligible impact on our policy making.
This is relevant here :
Modi, Trump never discussed Kashmir, show official records | India News - Times of India
Modi, Trump never discussed Kashmir, show official records | India News - Times of India
Absolutely right , whenever we were denied technology , we worked our a**ses off to produce it indigenously. Unless US/Russia decline to seel us their weapons , we wont push our own programs
This is typical Indian attitude, Jugaad , finding easiest route instead of safest route
Dude, are you walking on your head? Or else when did Karachi tectonically move so close to Pashtun border that you are 24x7 high on Afghan weed?
Oh no Muslim birathers are in trouble. Jihad anyone ?
Pakistan turning blind eye to human rights abuses in Xinjiang: Experts
By ANI, Published July 21, 2019 12:37 IST
Washington DC:
While the United Nations has said that at least one million ethnic Uighurs and other Muslims have been detained in China, experts believe that neighbouring Pakistan has turned a blind eye to the human rights abuses in Xinjiang.
China’s close ally, Pakistan, is a Muslim country and one of the most powerful members of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC). However, it has covered up the massive human rights abuses against followers of Islam in Xinjiang.
“I see the main reason…as the implementation of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). Obviously, raising the question of the Uighurs domestically as well as internationally is perceived as provoking Beijing, which would have potential negative ramifications for the CPEC implementation,” said Dr Siegfried O Wolf, the Director of Research at Brussels-based South Asia Democratic Forum (SADF).
“In this context, we should also expect that the Pakistani leadership does not want to raise the question in order to not stir further anti-Chinese sentiments in the country which are already increasing. This would further deteriorate the security situation of Chinese projects, workers, and companies,” he added.
Wolf said that another factor is that Islamabad, especially its all-powerful military, wants to appease Beijing by ignoring the mistreatment of the Muslim communities in China. This helps in shielding the deepening Pakistan-China bilateral ties in security and military-related matters, which find its most visible expression in the delivery of Chinese weapons and military hardware.
Recently, nearly two dozen nations at the UN Human Rights Council wrote a letter, urging China to halt its mass detention.
US Secretary of State, Michael Pompeo, also called China’s treatment of Uighurs the “stain of the century”. The State Department estimates that between 8,00,000 to two million Turkic Muslims, including Uighurs, are being held in internment camps that Beijing has called “re-education” centres.
The issue of Uighurs in Xinjiang is expected to be raised during Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan’s meeting with the US Secretary of State on Tuesday. Khan will be in the US from July 21 to July 23 on an official visit, during which he is also scheduled to meet US President Donald Trump.
Experts believe that Pakistan is hand-in-glove with China to cover up the massive human rights violations in Xinjiang.
Dusan Vejinovic, a Senior Research Analyst at the European Foundation for South Asian Studies (EFSAS) said, “The same way that China appears to maintain double standards on combating terrorism, manifested through the years-long postponement of the designation of Masood Azhar as a global terrorist, while simultaneously detaining ‘preventatively’ Muslims on alleged suspicions of Islamist radicalisation and terrorism, Pakistan follows the model of its patron, by playing a double standard in dealing with issues related to Muslims”.
“Pakistan will sell its proxy war in Jammu & Kashmir as Jihad for their Muslim brothers, but totally deny any knowledge of the treatment of Uighurs by China,” he added.
Wolf also said that Pakistan will attempt to continue its old tactic of playing a double game during Khan’s visit to Washington.
“Until now Pakistan was known for supporting the ‘US war against terror’ but at the same time, it also supported the Taliban and other insurgent groups in Afghanistan which were fighting against the US troops, their allies and the Afghan government. However, this version of the double game reduces significance among Pakistan security mindset with the reduction of the US troops in the country, the growing strength of the Taliban and the deepening of relations wherein China is substituting US financial aid,” Wolf added.
“However, Pakistan’s military knows very well that Chinese military hardware is not a match until now for US technology and capabilities in the areas of defence production. Furthermore, the top brass of the Pakistani army is also well aware that Chinese support is strictly limited when it comes to an armed confrontation with its arch-rival India. As such, the military looks for a diversification of its supplies for military equipment,” he further said.
Wolf believes that Islamabad’s stand on Iran, as well as the trilateral relations shared by Iran-Pakistan-China, could be used as a bargaining chip in talks with the US. However, it is unlikely that the Uighurs will play any significant, severe role in the latest and upcoming conversations between Imran Khan and the US administration, besides some “lip service”.
Pakistan turning blind eye to human rights abuses in Xinjiang - Times of India
Pakistan turning blind eye to human rights abuses in Xinjiang: Experts
By ANI, Published July 21, 2019 12:37 IST
Washington DC:
While the United Nations has said that at least one million ethnic Uighurs and other Muslims have been detained in China, experts believe that neighbouring Pakistan has turned a blind eye to the human rights abuses in Xinjiang.
China’s close ally, Pakistan, is a Muslim country and one of the most powerful members of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC). However, it has covered up the massive human rights abuses against followers of Islam in Xinjiang.
“I see the main reason…as the implementation of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). Obviously, raising the question of the Uighurs domestically as well as internationally is perceived as provoking Beijing, which would have potential negative ramifications for the CPEC implementation,” said Dr Siegfried O Wolf, the Director of Research at Brussels-based South Asia Democratic Forum (SADF).
“In this context, we should also expect that the Pakistani leadership does not want to raise the question in order to not stir further anti-Chinese sentiments in the country which are already increasing. This would further deteriorate the security situation of Chinese projects, workers, and companies,” he added.
Wolf said that another factor is that Islamabad, especially its all-powerful military, wants to appease Beijing by ignoring the mistreatment of the Muslim communities in China. This helps in shielding the deepening Pakistan-China bilateral ties in security and military-related matters, which find its most visible expression in the delivery of Chinese weapons and military hardware.
Recently, nearly two dozen nations at the UN Human Rights Council wrote a letter, urging China to halt its mass detention.
US Secretary of State, Michael Pompeo, also called China’s treatment of Uighurs the “stain of the century”. The State Department estimates that between 8,00,000 to two million Turkic Muslims, including Uighurs, are being held in internment camps that Beijing has called “re-education” centres.
The issue of Uighurs in Xinjiang is expected to be raised during Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan’s meeting with the US Secretary of State on Tuesday. Khan will be in the US from July 21 to July 23 on an official visit, during which he is also scheduled to meet US President Donald Trump.
Experts believe that Pakistan is hand-in-glove with China to cover up the massive human rights violations in Xinjiang.
Dusan Vejinovic, a Senior Research Analyst at the European Foundation for South Asian Studies (EFSAS) said, “The same way that China appears to maintain double standards on combating terrorism, manifested through the years-long postponement of the designation of Masood Azhar as a global terrorist, while simultaneously detaining ‘preventatively’ Muslims on alleged suspicions of Islamist radicalisation and terrorism, Pakistan follows the model of its patron, by playing a double standard in dealing with issues related to Muslims”.
“Pakistan will sell its proxy war in Jammu & Kashmir as Jihad for their Muslim brothers, but totally deny any knowledge of the treatment of Uighurs by China,” he added.
Wolf also said that Pakistan will attempt to continue its old tactic of playing a double game during Khan’s visit to Washington.
“Until now Pakistan was known for supporting the ‘US war against terror’ but at the same time, it also supported the Taliban and other insurgent groups in Afghanistan which were fighting against the US troops, their allies and the Afghan government. However, this version of the double game reduces significance among Pakistan security mindset with the reduction of the US troops in the country, the growing strength of the Taliban and the deepening of relations wherein China is substituting US financial aid,” Wolf added.
“However, Pakistan’s military knows very well that Chinese military hardware is not a match until now for US technology and capabilities in the areas of defence production. Furthermore, the top brass of the Pakistani army is also well aware that Chinese support is strictly limited when it comes to an armed confrontation with its arch-rival India. As such, the military looks for a diversification of its supplies for military equipment,” he further said.
Wolf believes that Islamabad’s stand on Iran, as well as the trilateral relations shared by Iran-Pakistan-China, could be used as a bargaining chip in talks with the US. However, it is unlikely that the Uighurs will play any significant, severe role in the latest and upcoming conversations between Imran Khan and the US administration, besides some “lip service”.
Pakistan turning blind eye to human rights abuses in Xinjiang - Times of India
This is nothing . Read this masterpiece by cheen
Xinjiang Uygurs didn’t choose to be Muslims, China says
Uygurs in Xinjiang didn’t choose to be Muslims, China says in white paper
- Islam was forced on ethnic group ‘by religious wars and the ruling class’, Beijing says in latest report defending its actions in far western region
- Uygurs’ ancestors were enslaved by the Turks, document says
Uygurs became Muslims not by choice but by force, and Islam is not their only religion, Beijing said in a white paper published on Sunday, as it continued its propaganda campaign to justify its controversial policies in the far western province of Xinjiang.
“The Uygur people adopted Islam not of their own volition … but had it forced upon them by religious wars and the ruling class,” according to the document released by the State Council Information Office.
Islamic beliefs were forced on the Uygurs during the expansion of Arabic states. This is a historical fact, the report said, though that did not undermine the Uygurs’ religious rights now.
“Historically, the Uygurs’ ancestors were enslaved by the Turks,” it said, citing a history of conflicts between the two groups dating back to the 8th century.
The white paper was issued amid a campaign by Beijing to justify its policies in the restive region, which is home to more than 10 million Uygurs, most whom are Muslim.
In a document issued in March, it said that over the past five years it had arrested nearly 13,000 “terrorists” in the region.