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Arsalan123 said:
all this courage from indian side is because of american help.where was iaf and indian army in 2002 and 2008? when america change camp again,all this courage will disappear again.america or no america,pakistan can defend itself.by the way,abrogation is not a military operation.
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You forget 1971 & 1984 , beta. And in 2002 , Besharraf was told by the US to cut down on the terrorists. He complied. Hence there was little to no terrorist incidents in Kashmir from 2002-08.


Don't rely on anyone. Apna baazu mazboot. Isko begaari mein na badlo, apne mulk jaise.
 
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You forget 1971 & 1984 , beta. And in 2002 , Besharraf was told by the US to cut down on the terrorists. He complied. Hence there was little to no terrorist incidents in Kashmir from 2002-08.


Don't rely on anyone. Apna baazu mazboot. Isko begaari mein na badlo, apne mulk jaise.
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And who begged Clinton to stop Musharraf? You are looking on one side,not the other.i mean it was impossible for India to get tiger hill without air Force.if I put India in pakistani position in 71, thousand miles away from mainland India, can you successfully defend it against a much larger army? It is simply impossible which happened to us and we accept it.consider this scenario for chicken neck and consider China attacks your seven states.can you destroy Bangladesh in order to create a path to reach your seven states? Even if you do,it will be too late.think logically.
 
Arsalan123 said:
And who begged Clinton to stop Musharraf? You are looking on one side,not the other.i mean it was impossible for India to get tiger hill without air Force.if I put India in pakistani position in 71, thousand miles away from mainland India, can you successfully defend it against a much larger army? It is simply impossible which happened to us and we accept it.consider this scenario for chicken neck and consider China attacks your seven states.can you destroy Bangladesh in order to create a path to reach your seven states? Even if you do,it will be too late.think logically.
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Yes it's true whatever happened in Kargil was something which India has to relook into it we still have not learnt or tempoerarily learnt. The day Modi steps down as PM, India will be sitting duck for Pakistan. And that's what Pakistan is waiting for.

Indeed during Kargil the Musharraf's plan was brilliant and had US not intervened the things would have escalated and India was not in position to bargain but either to go full scale or be diplomatic and forget the peaks captured by Pakistani forces.

Reason is simple. The Indo Pak relations and the deciding factor for both during a war is not the military, it' s the head of state. Atal Bihari was a politician and not a leader Modi is a leader. Similarly, Musharraf was not a leader he was a military man who was leader as well.

If Imran Khan becomes leader for the second time and Modi steps down as a PM and there is no Amit Shah or Yogi like people, India will have to really work hard regain its strong position. Because Pakistan, China and every one will come to hunt down India from all the sides.
 
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screambowl said:
Yes it's true whatever happened in Kargil was something which India has to relook into it we still have not learnt or tempoerarily learnt. The day Modi steps down as PM, India will be sitting duck for Pakistan. And that's what Pakistan is waiting for.

Indeed during Kargil the Musharraf's plan was brilliant and had US not intervened the things would have escalated and India was not in position to bargain but either to go full scale or be diplomatic and forget the peaks captured by Pakistani forces.

Reason is simple. The Indo Pak relations and the deciding factor for both during a war is not the military, it' s the head of state. Atal Bihari was a politician and not a leader Modi is a leader. Similarly, Musharraf was not a leader he was a military man who was leader as well.

If Imran Khan becomes leader for the second time and Modi steps down as a PM and there is no Amit Shah or Yogi like people, India will have to really work hard regain its strong position. Because Pakistan, China and every one will come to hunt down India from all the sides.
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I have never seen any Indian like you. At least you are accepting our aggressive role in kargil.we know we lost it as well but this is not the end of the world.your countrymen always make fun of us on 71. I mean consider chicken neck scenario and consider you have to defend your sevrn states from china.what will you do? Chicken neck region in Chinese control and you have to bypass Bangladesh in order to reach your seven states.as I stated earlier,indians still humiliate us for 71 but everyone knows reality.it was simply impossible to defend.

Actually you are very sensible and you think from different approach.have you seen comments of your countrymen here? Some said that they will destroy pakistan in 4 days and some said that they will not allow out nukes to be armed.before they can be armed,special indian team will destroy our nukes and this team will be in Pakistan during war.i mean at least you don't talk in this way.i mean are we iran with limited old technology fighter jets or somalia?we accepted balakot even before iaf made the announcement.we accepted you entered and left unharmed.do you remember stories of akhnoor capture and jaguar bombed Pakistani radars near loc? I mean even you understand that we are a country and not an island.at least we have an army who can fight.india has humilated us every time on 71.i hear 71 everyday.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
I have never seen any Indian like you. At least you are accepting our aggressive role in kargil.we know we lost it as well but this is not the end of the world.your countrymen always make fun of us on 71. I mean consider chicken neck scenario and consider you have to defend your sevrn states from china.what will you do? Chicken neck region in Chinese control and you have to bypass Bangladesh in order to reach your seven states.as I stated earlier,indians still humiliate us for 71 but everyone knows reality.it was simply impossible to defend.
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The problem with my countrymen is they are those pigeons who close their eyes seeing a cat and presume the threat is gone. I have repeatedly said on this forum and my posts have been given a stamp of authentication by the statement of your Minister Qureshi that this is not a T20 game it's a test match. When you decipher this it means that Pakistan will wait for the government change in India and then it will escalate the issue militarily.

The scenario will be like, we Indian will again be caught with our pants down when your army starts their phase of aggression after the government is changed. Because by now both Pakistan and China have analysed that India is an actual threat for them. Of course this won't make India bend in its knees but definite India will get hurt if a a weak government comes which is ought to happen, because we do not have any leader like Modi.

If it was so easy India would have easily disintegrated Pakistan, forget tackling China, in the past three decades but politics is India's weakness which Pakistan and rest of the world has mastered to manipulate. The leaders in India are selected by foreign not elected by domestics. This time only its the first government which has been elected by the domestics.

Only now we Indians have actually realized that there is a lot needs to be done. Military is of no use if the leader is weak which is India's biggest problem.
 
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screambowl said:
The problem with my countrymen is they are those pigeons who close their eyes seeing a cat and presume the threat is gone. I have repeatedly said on this forum and my posts have been given a stamp of authentication by the statement of your Minister Qureshi that this is not a T20 game it's a test match. When you decipher this it means that Pakistan will wait for the government change in India and then it will escalate the issue militarily.

The scenario will be like, we Indian will again be caught with our pants down when your army starts their phase of aggression after the government is changed. Because by now both Pakistan and China have analysed that India is an actual threat for them. Of course this won't make India bend in its knees but definite India will get hurt if a a weak government comes which is ought to happen, because we do not have any leader like Modi.

If it was so easy India would have easily disintegrated Pakistan, forget tackling China, in the past three decades but politics is India's weakness which Pakistan and rest of the world has mastered to manipulate. The leaders in India are selected by foreign not elected by domestics. This time only its the first government which has been elected by the domestics.

Only now we Indians have actually realized that there is a lot needs to be done. Military is of no use if the leader is weak which is India's biggest problem.
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Check my same comment with a little edit.
 
screambowl said:
The problem with my countrymen is they are those pigeons who close their eyes seeing a cat and presume the threat is gone. I have repeatedly said on this forum and my posts have been given a stamp of authentication by the statement of your Minister Qureshi that this is not a T20 game it's a test match. When you decipher this it means that Pakistan will wait for the government change in India and then it will escalate the issue militarily.

The scenario will be like, we Indian will again be caught with our pants down when your army starts their phase of aggression after the government is changed. Because by now both Pakistan and China have analysed that India is an actual threat for them. Of course this won't make India bend in its knees but definite India will get hurt if a a weak government comes which is ought to happen, because we do not have any leader like Modi.

If it was so easy India would have easily disintegrated Pakistan, forget tackling China, in the past three decades but politics is India's weakness which Pakistan and rest of the world has mastered to manipulate. The leaders in India are selected by foreign not elected by domestics. This time only its the first government which has been elected by the domestics.

Only now we Indians have actually realized that there is a lot needs to be done. Military is of no use if the leader is weak which is India's biggest problem.
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I agree.do you think a deal between China and India is possible? I mean in real world,China always supported Pakistan diplomatically.let us say that both China and India don't forget war and doklam.now do you think that deal is done and now India will start exercises near China border and most importantly president xi will be in India during these exercises? I mean your countrymen assumed that a deal is in place.there is no deal.no deal at all.in pakistan,we treat Chinese and Turkish like brothers.china simply don't want India on entire Kashmir but I know your country wants.think about chinese.
 
Arsalan123 said:
I agree.do you think a deal between China and India is possible? I mean in real world,China always supported Pakistan diplomatically.let us say that both China and India don't forget war and doklam.now do you think that deal is done and now India will start exercises near China border and most importantly president xi will be in India during these exercises? I mean your countrymen assumed that a deal is in place.there is no deal.no deal at all.in pakistan,we treat Chinese and Turkish like brothers.china simply don't want India on entire Kashmir but I know your country wants.think about chinese.
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Any deal which does not resolve boundary disputes is useless. They live in their perception India will stay in it's perception. There will be business deals, but China believes in holding territory. If you have territory you can generate revenue. There is no chance that China will forget Arunachal or Aksai Chin.The quarrel will shift towards Pakistan, it will be India vs China in Pakistan. That's my nanlysis.

And NO India does not want to disintegrate Pakistan. Pakistan acts as buffer for India, otherwise all the scum and yahoos from central Asia will enter India. Yes, India may try to contain Pakistan in POK, but then that also depends on Indian Government.

That's my analysis. India does not get any advantage or profit in breaking current mainland of Pakistan. The war is restricted to Kashmir only.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
And who begged Clinton to stop Musharraf? You are looking on one side,not the other.i mean it was impossible for India to get tiger hill without air Force.if I put India in pakistani position in 71, thousand miles away from mainland India, can you successfully defend it against a much larger army? It is simply impossible which happened to us and we accept it.consider this scenario for chicken neck and consider China attacks your seven states.can you destroy Bangladesh in order to create a path to reach your seven states? Even if you do,it will be too late.think logically.
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Who went running to Washington on 4th July - a national holiday in the US beseeching ( that's begging in layman's English, so that you don't curse me and refer the thesaurus which in turn is a dictionary in lay man's language. Now don't ask me what's a dictionary for God's sake) Clinton to meet him. It was Ganja.

We could've got Tiger Hill & the other features much earlier without the casualties we took has we crossed the LoC which was prevented by the dhoti class as represented by Vajpayee. You didn't even have Aircrafts with BVR. Result every time IAF came within range, The PAF fled.

Well, I guess strategic calculations, how to take a population into confidence especially if they happen to be half your country in both the numbers as well as land is alien to your imagination limited as it was since the beginning. Who asked you to antagonize the Bengalis by denying the Awami League victory? Why did you jail Mujib? Why then did you launch a crackdown on your own country men? How else do you think this would've turned out?

First of all, in order to get to the chicken's neck, they would've have to cross Sikkim. Here the IA is better placed than the PLA. Here's where we avenged 1962 by giving the PLA a bloody nose in 1967 . Here, let me educate you.

Nathu La and Cho La clashes - Wikipedia

Here's where, once more, the IA challenged the PLA in Doklam in 2017 & the PLA backed off.

So, get your facts right. You might be better prepared in future conflicts. That's called intelligence. If you interpret those facts right, you'd never attempt such misadventures. That's called wisdom. But as we have known since time immemorial, smartness is the enemy of wisdom. And I've yet to come across a wise Pakistani. I'm sure my fellow Indian members here concur with me.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
Kisne Mana Kya he ao na.ajao Bhai lol
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Patience. Jaldi ka kaam, Pakistani ka. The way you're going, soon naans will be Rs 50 per piece. Prices of Water, milk & petrol will soon compete for primacy. One day water will be more expensive than petrol . The other, milk will be. The third day petrol will be. Then your own countrymen will hit the streets. That'd be our cue to enter PoK. Now this is inevitable. You can decide whether it happens in 5 years or 10.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
pakistan is always prepared for the worst case scenario.we have good friends who helped us several times.economy will be back on track soon.they are hard times but pakistan will continue to exist.we will never allow domination.
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just read ur reply ...........a year ago ..............& now .......... any 1 or any thing has been done to show that u people r doing anything to improve ur economy.

some day ... some thing ... some how ...some 1 .... will bring the changes that U all r dreaming & will give for free (or will pay u to give u ) ....

keep dreaming ..........................

the day U as U the "common man" will start to work to sustain the economy & will refuse to pay for all the waste expenses (business run by ur army) by the govt. ...... only then it will be the first step ... even then it will take 20 ~ 30 years ( its $110 billions u have to pay back)

"pakistan is always prepared for the worst case scenario" .................. prepared for the worst case scenario in ur economy .......... what r u doing to improve it ..... ooooooooooooooooo ya pakistan is always prepared ................... thats IT its fixed ........................... next ....................(verbal diarrhea)

"we have good friends who helped us several times": ooooooooooo ya all over the world .............

1) they keep giving u money by the tons to burn not to return ............. like forever ... china ooo its a gift ? UAE money gift ? Saudi money gift ? ...................
2)how many supported pak in UN ........NONE ........... pak is the most friendly country in the world ( mention of ur topic by 2 countries does not make u popular or support u) ......... ooo ya ...
3) a speech is not an achievement .................. each & every country head can & has right to address UN ................ thats not an achievement ............thats verbal diarrhea what IK did . did u hear it .. was there any thing with facts ... no .... just this will happen, that will happen, what if this, or what if that ......... then only 1 thing nuclear war nuclear war.
4) when USA has already declared "islamophobia" then what does ur PM say & talk 1) islamic nuclear war 2) al qaeda. he was there to get support for his country or to give reasons to avoid or end PAK ???????????????????? o ya IK was making sure that the world should not look any where else but pak for this "islamophobia" .

"economy will be back on track soon.they are hard times" keep singing will be will be will be will be will be will be will be will be will be will be will be will be will be will be will be will be ................... keep dreaming ............. unless & until the common man does every thing as stated above

"pakistan will continue to exist." ya ... should ... as what .... a well starved population (what wrong has the whole Pakistani population done to deserve this .......... think man think )...........screaming "wow wow what a speech by IK just WOW" >>>>> a street dog barks on all passing cars .......... does that affect the car or the car owners .... & next ..........the people(USA) who will loose their night sleep (a nuclear war)will have the dog shot (its not IK but the ARMY who have the nuclear button ............... so who will get the bullet ...........)

by declaring in UN that there is a possibility of a nuclear war (this is also seen as an act of terrorist spoken by a terrorist PM of a terrorist country who states that they trained the al qaeda terrorist) ......... it will only only be followed by only 1 action ie how to deflate this threat forever ............ which is at cost of U "the common man" ............ all ur wind bags have their near & dears in other countries

"we will never allow domination" ya ya as if any 1 will ask u to allow them ....................
1) Arabs "domination" PAK & pak fought with Israel ...........
2) US "domination" PAK & 70,000 Pakistani die ... in fight against terrorist.... ie in PAK way fight against self !!!!
3) Arabs "domination" PAK & pak general is there to fight their war & "with his best trained troops" .... 5,000 of them surrender to yemen .................. wow best of best trained is Pakistani soldier ...................see that proved that ..........ha ha ha best of best ............. ya ya in surrendering .................. the gold medalist force in the art of surrendering

then the best 1


4) INDIA"domination" PAK in 1971 & how many had to surrender 90,000 !!!! "best of best trained is Pakistani soldier in surrendering"

its time to leave the dream world ................. GET OFF THE BED & work to survive
 
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We could've got Tiger Hill & the other features much earlier without the casualties we took has we crossed the LoC which was prevented by the dhoti class as represented by Vajpayee. You didn't even have Aircrafts with BVR. Result every time IAF came within range, The PAF fled.
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Could , ifs and buts .We are phattus. Chai Samosa party and big talks in every office.
 
screambowl said:
Could , ifs and buts .We are phattus. Chai Samosa party and big talks in every office.
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The current policy on how we deal with Bakistan certainly allows us the luxury of the chai samosa party. Its just a matter of when bakistan implodes...till then chai biskoot samosas and pagodas 😂😂. Naysayers can continue to live in their own make believe realm.
 
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madrao99 said:
The current policy on how we deal with Bakistan certainly allows us the luxury of the chai samosa party. Its just a matter of when bakistan implodes...till then chai biskoot samosas and pagodas 😂😂. Naysayers can continue to live in their own make believe realm.
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We were still having Chai samosa party when the coffins of martyrs were coming home. And we are again preparing for that once Modi ji steps down. The new leader will not be as concerned the way Modi is.
 
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We were still having Chai samosa party when the coffins of martyrs were coming home. And we are again preparing for that once Modi ji steps down. The new leader will not be as concerned the way Modi is.
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Tension not...Modiji has reset the normal, whoever comes in succession would have no option but to uphold it. The people of India would expect and want it...
 
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