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I didnt think giving the China bhai bhai "take it coz its free" was a prudent approach. One would hope IK and his entourage will scrutinise whats on offer.
Lets be frank - the previous hierarchy were leading the nation on the verge of bankruptcy - lets see what happens now. May take a couple years to show results. I can wait - after all Rome wasnt built in a day......
 
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A Pakistani SSG commando next to a sign post at a training facility in Cherat.

The sign reads: Jerusalem 4880 km, Delhi 907 km, and Srinagar 406 km

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I think it's supposed to be motivational, but it feels a bit too optimistic

It was probably built before Op Gibraltar and Op Grand Slam.
 
I didnt think giving the China bhai bhai "take it coz its free" was a prudent approach. One would hope IK and his entourage will scrutinise whats on offer.
Lets be frank - the previous hierarchy were leading the nation on the verge of bankruptcy - lets see what happens now. May take a couple years to show results. I can wait - after all Rome wasnt built in a day......
You don't find that reality is still not dawned on Imran Bhai and his obsession/habit with TV, cameras and glamour is yielding more talk less action!

When Modi came to power he was also obsessed with rubbing shoulders with bigwigs, camera and his blind followers praised all of it, though he did worked hard even after this but this Imran fella seems to be on another level altogether! His HD pics from expensive dslr with background blur and kilos of makeup to look him young makes it feel like he is in some kind of movie and not actually the PM. He knows that he is selected for 5 years right? He got all the time for these pics unless he knows he will end up exactly where every Pakistani ruler ends up at the end of 4th yr.
 
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You don't find that reality is still not dawned on Imran Bhai and his obsession/habit with TV, cameras and glamour is yielding more talk less action!

When Modi came to power he was also obsessed with rubbing shoulders with bigwigs, camera and his blind followers praised all of it, though he did worked hard even after this but this Imran fella seems to be on another level altogether! His HD pics from expensive dslr with background blur and kilos of makeup to look him young makes it feel like he is in some kind of movie and not actually the PM. He knows that he is selected for 5 years right? He got all the time for these pics unless he knows he will end up exactly where every Pakistani ruler ends up at the end of 4th yr.
Yaar let’s give him chance. He has been in charge for about 3 months - the previous 50 years have grinded the nation to its bare knuckles - it’s going to take time.
One thing I can feel safe in saying is he is not an inbred scumbag like the Sharif and Bhutto clan.
Perhaps naive inexperienced and must learn quickly comes to mind - but let’s give him chance IMO
 
why not simply adopt chinese party instead of resorting to such crude tactics?

IHC judge sacked for accusing ISI of interference
Malik AsadUpdated October 12, 2018

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In this file photo, Justice Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui addresses the Rawalpindi District Bar Association. — DawnNewsTV
ISLAMABAD: President Dr Arif Alvi on Thursday removed senior puisne judge of the Islamabad High Court Justice Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui on the recommendations of the Supreme Judicial Council (SJC).

Earlier in the day, the SJC had recommended Justice Siddiqui’s removal for his remarks about alleged interference by the country’s premier spy agency in the judicial proceedings.

Consequently, the Ministry of Law and Justice denotified the IHC judge. “A notification in this regard has been issued,” said Law Minister Dr Farogh Nasim.

The notification signed by the law secretary states: “The President of Pakistan has been pleased to remove Mr Justice Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui, Judge Islamabad High Court, from his office with immediate effect.”

The SJC, headed by Chief Justice of Pakistan Mian Saqib Nisar, ruled: “This council is unanimously of the opinion that in the matter of making his speech before the District Bar Association, Rawalpindi, on July 21, 2018, Mr Justice Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui, Judge Islamabad High Court, had displayed conduct unbecoming of Judge of a High Court and was, thus, guilty of misconduct and he is, therefore, liable to be removed from his office under Article 209(6) of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, 1973.”

Justice Siddiqui says SJC took up ‘baseless reference’ against him about renovation of his official residence​
The Article 209(6) says: “If after inquiring into the matter, the Council reports to the President that it is of the opinion: (a) that the Judge is incapable of performing the duties of his office or has been guilty of misconduct, and (b) that he should be removed from office; the President may remove the judge from office.”

During the 70-year judicial history of the country, Justice Siddiqui has become the second judge against whom the SJC passed negative opinion.

The first reference had been filed against Justice Hasan Ali Agha in the Federal Court of Pakistan in 1951, the second against Justice Ikhlaq Hussain during General Ayub’s regime, the third against Justice Shaikh Shaukat Ali during General Yahya’s era and the fourth against Justice Safdar Ali Shah during General Zia’s regime.

While Justice Agha was exonerated and Justice Ali was asked to resign, the SJC passed negative opinion against Justice Ikhlaq.

Justice Safdar Shah, who was part of the bench that had convicted Pakistan Peoples Party founder Zulfikar Ali Bhutto but ruled against the conviction, faced the wrath of Gen Zia’s martial law regime, tendered resignation and left Pakistan.

In 2007, the SJC had taken up a reference filed by former president retired Gen Pervez Musharraf against then chief justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry, but a 13-member larger bench of the Supreme Court quashed the reference.

Former chief justice of Pakistan Anwar Zaheer Jamali had in 2015 reactivated the SJC and started proceeding against some judges of the IHC and Lahore High Court. However, the SJC decided the case instituted against Justice Siddiqui after July 21 this year.

The five-member SJC bench which recommended Justice Siddiqui’s removal comprised CJP Saqib Nisar, Justice Asif Saeed Khan Khosa and Justice Gulzar Ahmed of the Supreme Court, Sindh High Court Chief Justice Ahmed Ali Shaikh and LHC Chief Justice Mohammad Yawar Ali.

The SJC’s report forwarded to the president was authored by Justice Khosa. It states: “At a time when many inquiries under Article 209 of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, 1973 were pending against him at different stages before the Supreme Judicial Council, Mr Justice Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui, Judge, Islamabad High Court, addressed a meeting of the District Bar Association, Rawalpindi on July 21, 2018. That meeting was attended by a large number of advocates including some office-bearers of the Punjab Bar Council, the High Court Bar Association and the District Bar Association, Rawalpindi.”

The report also highlighted the contents of that speech. According to it, Justice Siddiqui claimed that the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) is “manipulating judicial proceedings as its officials manage to constitute benches at its will and mark cases to selected judges”. He said: “The ISI approached the Chief Justice of the Islamabad High Court and told him that they don’t want release of Nawaz Sharif and his daughter before elections.”

The SJC after a brief hearing on Oct 1 had reserved the order that was announced on Thursday.

Justice Siddiqui’s response
Reacting to the SJC decision, Justice Siddiqui said the council’s opinion was not unexpected for him. He said the SJC had taken up a “baseless reference” against him related to renovation of his official residence, and since there was nothing in that reference, he had been eliminated for delivering a speech at the bar association.

“Contrary to my demand and the decision of the Supreme Court for conducting the trial in open court, the SJC proceeded against me in-camera. Besides, no effort was made to constitute a commission to ascertain veracity of the allegations I made in that speech,” he said, adding that he would present his stance before people and explain what he had already submitted to the SJC in connection with the reference. “I will also explain the real reasons for which SJC has deposed a high court judge in about five decades,” Justice Siddiqui concluded.

Published in Dawn, October 12th, 2018
 
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This IMF bailout will be very tricky situation for Pakistan.

Nature of US is fundamentally alerted and they are in no longer mood to accommodate China a bit. From adjustment and tolerance they have moved to direct confrontation.

US is not going to let Pak have any package without exposing CPEC, humiliating Chinese in world and creating potential roadblocks to BRI in future. How this will impact regional situation depends upon how Pak handles this and so far they have handled it quite badly to be frank.

Im the dim has lived upto his name by not reigning in his dogs and they openly humiliated Chinese multiple times in just past few weeks, add this to his own doing of Dharna which postponed Chinese premier visit. Even during elections Chinese were not happy by role of Pak military to penalize Sharif's and create political instability hurting investor sentiments.

This new govt has image problem with Chinese even before they were selected and after they are in power they have issued statements after statements against Chinese instead of calming things down. They are actually doing it quite embarrassingly for Chinese again and again and they will readily surender everything to IMF almost killing CPEC instead of fighting and keeping it under the wraps.

What can happen next?
After this IMF thing settles and they handle it the way the are already doing it Chinese will find Pak to be a unreliable partner who even after this much financial and political investment didn't even bother to take Chinese in confidence and giving bad name to BRI which is top most priority of emperor Xi. They may turn against Pak and start pressuring for payback(less likely) or they will simply withdraw the political backing that's bringing them bad name and making them look like complicit in terrorism.

What this mean is India can have a field day and can even be encouraged by China to cut Pak to its size. Tough UN blacklisting won't change anything but will humiliate Pak at world stage. FATF blacklist can also be on cards but that can be avoided by playing nice to US in Afghanistan and Iran. 2-3 years down the lane when Chinese loans will start maturing along with IMF loans Pak will find themselves again in this exact same situation.

Can the structural reforms work and help Pakistan in long term?
It won't be hard for Imran to introduce legislation and get it passed with military backing but he seems to be interested in quick fix of increasing indirect taxes which provide big revenues instantly but suppress the demand and is very bad for growth. Increasing direct taxes in a society like Pakistan will take years if not decades which Imran can't wait.
 
Even if IMF agrees, it will be very long process. Much reforms will be expected from Pak govt, only economic reforms won't work for them this time.

The discussion process will be interesting to watch, if IMF agrees on easy terms then it will be time for India & USA to intervene and make Pak work for it. Mark my words USA will play its game for what Pak has done with them in last 4-5 years.:sneaky:

Lets see what China can do in this situation.

"The friendship will be tested".
 
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We can go to the IMF for loans all we want – it still won’t fix the economic crisis

With the rupee falling against the US dollar, the stock exchange crashing, and foreign currency reserves hitting a new low, it is not out of place to suggest that Imran Khan’s government has been unable to hold a firm grip over the economic crisis. They may have deteriorated the situation further with the hike in electricity and gas tariffs, which has badly affected the middle and lower middle class as the prices of essential commodities is also on the rise.

Then, of course, there was the perpetual indecision over going to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), only to finally come to the solution the entire nation knew from the beginning. The fall of the rupee against the dollar is expected to continue, a necessary step when going to the IMF, which will ultimately further damage our economy. It seems we are now in a vicious circle of debt servicing, and the intemperate expenditure on defence which eats up a major chunk of our revenue will have to be reduced if the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) is serious about long-term reform for the economic crisis we are currently in.

The problem with the ‘begging bowl’ is that it is equivalent to dancing around the fire while actively trying not to put it out. All previous governments knocked at the door of the IMF for a bailout package, and now PTI is doing the same. This should have been done sooner, for there is nothing wrong in going to the IMF for help, as long as there is awareness that this can only ever be a short-term solution.



However, the long-term solution is not only about creating jobs in the IT industry or building five million houses and hiring labour and engineers for the time being. Instead of these gimmicks, the government needs to understand that as long as our literacy rate is as low as it is, we cannot depend only on certain sectors to revive the economy in the long run. The textile and agriculture sector will have to be revived, largely in order to empower the marginalised and offer an opportunity to increase our dwindling exports. Pakistan’s rapidly increasing youth is also an asset and should be provided with more opportunities, particular in the tech sector, to make Pakistan look like the face of a young nation. While young people leaving the country for work does increase our gross national product (GNP), we also need to do more for the youth who stay.

The other problem is the unequal distribution of wealth, which increased exponentially during Pervez Musharraf’s regime. In order to prolong his rule, not only did Musharraf introduce tax breaks for the rich, he also heavily depended on the banking and property sectors to bring an artificial boom in the economy. As a result, rich property tycoons, brokers and banking executives got richer, and it is obvious what happened to the poor majority. After Musharraf’s departure, it was the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) that came to power, and we all witnessed the crisis it left for the subsequent government in 2013.

When Nawaz Sharif took charge, attempts were made to work on the energy crisis that plagued the entire country. During his tenure, the rupee stood at 105 against the US dollar, the stock market reached a record high, while foreign exchange reserves were at an all-time high at $20 billion. However, with a focus on energy and bringing the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) to Pakistan, Nawaz missed the chance to address structural problems. Neither did he focus on our rising population issue, nor did he attempt to enfranchise the marginalised classes by focusing on small industries and businesses. Nonetheless, whenever an elected leader learns to manage the country, he or she is thrown out of power, and such instability can never lead to a way out of an economic crisis. As long as civilian governments are not given the opportunity to govern the country, we will only move in circles as we take loans to pay off old loans and remain in crushing debt, which is the brilliant economic plan our premier has come up with.

As the economy is under work, we need to simultaneously work on bringing our population under control. Perhaps we need to consider legislation similar to the one-child policy implemented in China to successfully curb population growth. A state with a rapidly growing population with few resources can never grow economically.

Property investment is also not the solution, as it blocks investment and does not offer a large number of jobs; it will only make the rich richer and will have a very little effect on the ‘have-nots’. Even during the looming currency crisis, we saw investors buy dollars long before it soared against the rupee, while stockbrokers sold their shares before the stock exchange crashed. The burden ultimately falls on the common people in the form of price hikes and the resulting inflation.

After coming into power, our prime minister stated he would fix the economy in 100 days. He has now updated the time frame to six months. The way things are going, it will probably extend to the entirety of his five-year tenure. Next thing we know, he’ll ask to be re-elected so he can fix the economy. But no one can magically fix the economy in the years to come, for this endeavour takes time and dedicated effort to prioritise and manage accordingly. The promise to fix this mess in six months is a blatant lie to the nation, as there is no way we can get out of the economic crisis on the basis of these loans alone. If that were the case, we wouldn’t have this current crisis to begin with, as previous governments have also been adept at taking loans.

It doesn’t look good for a new government when, after blaming its predecessors for going to the IMF and for taking loans, it ends up doing the same. Unlike the political stage, the platform of economics cannot be run merely on sloganeering or blaming political competitors. Workable solutions and timely decisions are the need of the hour, as John F Kennedy said,

“The time to repair the roof is when the sun is shining.”​
When the sun was shining for Imran, he failed to think up actual, concrete strategies to run the state. Now that it’s been raining for a while, he is trying to fix the roof. Hopefully, it won’t take much longer before Imran finally comes out of his opposition mindset and instead focuses on actual governance to solve the myriad problems that lie ahead.
 
Yaar let’s give him chance. He has been in charge for about 3 months - the previous 50 years have grinded the nation to its bare knuckles - it’s going to take time.
One thing I can feel safe in saying is he is not an inbred scumbag like the Sharif and Bhutto clan.
Perhaps naive inexperienced and must learn quickly comes to mind - but let’s give him chance IMO

Any reforms he had brought out ?
1 year should be enough to judge whether he ll be to act on problem s .
 
We can go to the IMF for loans all we want – it still won’t fix the economic crisis

With the rupee falling against the US dollar, the stock exchange crashing, and foreign currency reserves hitting a new low, it is not out of place to suggest that Imran Khan’s government has been unable to hold a firm grip over the economic crisis. They may have deteriorated the situation further with the hike in electricity and gas tariffs, which has badly affected the middle and lower middle class as the prices of essential commodities is also on the rise.

Then, of course, there was the perpetual indecision over going to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), only to finally come to the solution the entire nation knew from the beginning. The fall of the rupee against the dollar is expected to continue, a necessary step when going to the IMF, which will ultimately further damage our economy. It seems we are now in a vicious circle of debt servicing, and the intemperate expenditure on defence which eats up a major chunk of our revenue will have to be reduced if the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) is serious about long-term reform for the economic crisis we are currently in.

The problem with the ‘begging bowl’ is that it is equivalent to dancing around the fire while actively trying not to put it out. All previous governments knocked at the door of the IMF for a bailout package, and now PTI is doing the same. This should have been done sooner, for there is nothing wrong in going to the IMF for help, as long as there is awareness that this can only ever be a short-term solution.



However, the long-term solution is not only about creating jobs in the IT industry or building five million houses and hiring labour and engineers for the time being. Instead of these gimmicks, the government needs to understand that as long as our literacy rate is as low as it is, we cannot depend only on certain sectors to revive the economy in the long run. The textile and agriculture sector will have to be revived, largely in order to empower the marginalised and offer an opportunity to increase our dwindling exports. Pakistan’s rapidly increasing youth is also an asset and should be provided with more opportunities, particular in the tech sector, to make Pakistan look like the face of a young nation. While young people leaving the country for work does increase our gross national product (GNP), we also need to do more for the youth who stay.

The other problem is the unequal distribution of wealth, which increased exponentially during Pervez Musharraf’s regime. In order to prolong his rule, not only did Musharraf introduce tax breaks for the rich, he also heavily depended on the banking and property sectors to bring an artificial boom in the economy. As a result, rich property tycoons, brokers and banking executives got richer, and it is obvious what happened to the poor majority. After Musharraf’s departure, it was the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) that came to power, and we all witnessed the crisis it left for the subsequent government in 2013.

When Nawaz Sharif took charge, attempts were made to work on the energy crisis that plagued the entire country. During his tenure, the rupee stood at 105 against the US dollar, the stock market reached a record high, while foreign exchange reserves were at an all-time high at $20 billion. However, with a focus on energy and bringing the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) to Pakistan, Nawaz missed the chance to address structural problems. Neither did he focus on our rising population issue, nor did he attempt to enfranchise the marginalised classes by focusing on small industries and businesses. Nonetheless, whenever an elected leader learns to manage the country, he or she is thrown out of power, and such instability can never lead to a way out of an economic crisis. As long as civilian governments are not given the opportunity to govern the country, we will only move in circles as we take loans to pay off old loans and remain in crushing debt, which is the brilliant economic plan our premier has come up with.

As the economy is under work, we need to simultaneously work on bringing our population under control. Perhaps we need to consider legislation similar to the one-child policy implemented in China to successfully curb population growth. A state with a rapidly growing population with few resources can never grow economically.

Property investment is also not the solution, as it blocks investment and does not offer a large number of jobs; it will only make the rich richer and will have a very little effect on the ‘have-nots’. Even during the looming currency crisis, we saw investors buy dollars long before it soared against the rupee, while stockbrokers sold their shares before the stock exchange crashed. The burden ultimately falls on the common people in the form of price hikes and the resulting inflation.

After coming into power, our prime minister stated he would fix the economy in 100 days. He has now updated the time frame to six months. The way things are going, it will probably extend to the entirety of his five-year tenure. Next thing we know, he’ll ask to be re-elected so he can fix the economy. But no one can magically fix the economy in the years to come, for this endeavour takes time and dedicated effort to prioritise and manage accordingly. The promise to fix this mess in six months is a blatant lie to the nation, as there is no way we can get out of the economic crisis on the basis of these loans alone. If that were the case, we wouldn’t have this current crisis to begin with, as previous governments have also been adept at taking loans.

It doesn’t look good for a new government when, after blaming its predecessors for going to the IMF and for taking loans, it ends up doing the same. Unlike the political stage, the platform of economics cannot be run merely on sloganeering or blaming political competitors. Workable solutions and timely decisions are the need of the hour, as John F Kennedy said,

“The time to repair the roof is when the sun is shining.”​
When the sun was shining for Imran, he failed to think up actual, concrete strategies to run the state. Now that it’s been raining for a while, he is trying to fix the roof. Hopefully, it won’t take much longer before Imran finally comes out of his opposition mindset and instead focuses on actual governance to solve the myriad problems that lie ahead.

I do not think it is ever possible for anyone to fix Pakistan's economy. Reason being that the powerful - political and military elites in the country have a "plunderer's mindset" to siphon off government money which essentially creates an echosystem for businesses to flourish, thus the economy. This is mainly driven by Greed and Corruption. It boils down to basics of governance. This is what India also went through in the past 65 years, but has shown significant change in the "intention" of those governing for the past 4 and 1/2 years. If UPA was to continue in its 3rd avatar, Pakistan would have faced stiff competition from India for the medal to be in the position it has now prided with.
 
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Any reforms he had brought out ?
1 year should be enough to judge whether he l

I think his biggest headache and imminent issue is dealing with the IMF - The deadline is fast approaching and he i think will make a trip to the Saudis for the "brotherly gesture".
Once this has been tackled i think he can attempt to move onto other pressing matters.
 
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I think his biggest headache and imminent issue is dealing with the IMF - The deadline is fast approaching and he i think will make a trip to the Saudis for the "brotherly gesture".
Once this has been tackled i think he can attempt to move onto other pressing matters.

SK, whats your take on his early days?

Should Pakistan be doing all this its doing to S. Arabia? Based on my understanding of public opinion (lets not forget the other forum constitute majority of it so very limited), Pakistanis do not feel offended on idea of little subjugation to kingdom. I do not feel comfortable to that (not that I should be concerned but still).
 
SK, whats your take on his early days?

Should Pakistan be doing all this its doing to S. Arabia? Based on my understanding of public opinion (lets not forget the other forum constitute majority of it so very limited), Pakistanis do not feel offended on idea of little subjugation to kingdom. I do not feel comfortable to that (not that I should be concerned but still).
Imran supporters are very vocal and same army fanboys who hounds anyone showing reality. They cringes at the very idea of showing Imran as human, for them he is second coming of Jesus, they just can't handle it, so early days or early years those supporters are happy ignoring reality.

There are bh*kts, then there are Aapt*ards and then combination of both on steroids are Imran fanboys.

Also they feel obliged to serve Saudis, maybe cuz of religion but inferiority complex is also a factor, by serving Saudis they feel they can be at par with India by being in good books of religious authority. There was a video of Pakistani Anchors after Trump threatened Saudis and those jurnos, above average rating were literally redefining slavery. I felt embarrassed even by the thought that these people were from us, with us. Bootlicking was understatement to describe the discussion.