Islamic Republic of Pakistan : News, Discussions & Updates

[Superkaif]

SK, whats your take on his early days?

Should Pakistan be doing all this its doing to S. Arabia? Based on my understanding of public opinion (lets not forget the other forum constitute majority of it so very limited), Pakistanis do not feel offended on idea of little subjugation to kingdom. I do not feel comfortable to that (not that I should be concerned but still).

Poke

My take is being in opposition and being in office are 2 completely different fields. Its easy to make commitments and promises when in opposition - actually carrying out and balancing the books in power is a completely different ball game.
Pakistan has voted to put him in the chair and the people must realise that he will undoubtedly make mistakes - he will have to learn pretty quickly because these hounds and fanboys of IK have limited patience and want to see action and results. If they expect wholesale changes - it will take time.
His trip to Saudi and potential request for $$ wont come for free and to go down the road of becoming the rottweiler in waiting at the Saudi command is IMO naive and dangerous for Pakistan stability. After all Saudi are the cause of gross instability across the Muslim world.
Next 2 weeks will be critical in his plans

 

[Butter Chicken]

FDI dips 42pc as Chinese investment declines

KARACHI: Foreign direct investment (FDI) declined by 42 per cent during the first quarter of current fiscal year compared to the same period last year falling short of even half billion mark.

Central bank’s data revealed that FDI during July-September FY19 clocked in at $439.5 million compared to $765m last year. Pakistan desperately requires foreign exchange inflows to cap the rising current account deficit.

The decline in inflows comes at a time when Pakistan’s depleting foreign exchange reserves have already fallen to alarmingly low levels at $14.6 billion including State Bank of Pakistan’s (SBP) $8.089bn providing enough only for two months of import cover.

The government has officially approached the International Monetary Fund to borrow $12bn to meet the growing foreign exchange requirements.

The outflow of portfolio investment also deteriorated the overall foreign private investment in the country which fell by 63pc in first quarter. An outflow of $185m was observed in the foreign portfolio investment (FPI) during the quarter under review compared to $78m in the corresponding quarter last fiscal year.


Nehal Hashmi dares Pak Army to reclaim Kashmir

 

[Superkaif]

Imran supporters are very vocal and same army fanboys who hounds anyone showing reality. They cringes at the very idea of showing Imran as human, for them he is second coming of Jesus, they just can't handle it, so early days or early years those supporters are happy ignoring reality.

There are bh*kts, then there are Aapt*ards and then combination of both on steroids are Imran fanboys.

Also they feel obliged to serve Saudis, maybe cuz of religion but inferiority complex is also a factor, by serving Saudis they feel they can be at par with India by being in good books of religious authority. There was a video of Pakistani Anchors after Trump threatened Saudis and those jurnos, above average rating were literally redefining slavery. I felt embarrassed even by the thought that these people were from us, with us. Bootlicking was understatement to describe the discussion.

This has been the problem with Pakistan. The relationship with Saudi is a potent one and 1 that can be related to servant slave.
My concern is he is going over with China holding back - is he going to bow to their demands for more $? Me thinks he wouldn't be going if he wasn't going to give in.
That f7cking anus NS and Dar have literally left the country on the brink. If IK had the balls and real desire - he would let the rivers in Pakistan run red with the blood of these and the 1200 or so families that have destroyed and created anarchy in this country. Alas he wont and perhaps the snake will come back stronger and more venomous. I despair for the common man.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

That f7cking anus NS and Dar have literally left the country on the brink.

You can blame them as much as you want but when military tie their hands there was not much they could have done. Your geography that can earn you in transit is held hostage, the occupied Kashmir can boost your economy by tourism but your pro terrorism image hurt not just foreign travelers but even domestic travelers. High travel and insurance costs for both import and exports makes your economy uncompetitive and uninspiring, by increasing violence in Afghanistan you put hundreds of thousands of your own people adjacent to Afghanistan border in poverty. IT industry can earn you few billions but thanks to your notorious spy agency nobody wants to deal with you and even for payments most major payment processors either deny service or charge higher commission, there is lot more I can go on and on that is easily achievable not wishful thinking.

In all this there is one common factor i.e. Pakistani military mindset. 10 year ago most Pakistani analysts use to say India can't become super power if they are not in good books of Pakistan and for that solve Kashmir issue. Otherwise they can always send some bomber and spoil investors confidence. In quest of that and to avoid blowback you put your country on lockdown. 10 years later, India is calm and Pakistan became a security state eating away whatever budget is left.

No Imran or whoever can save you unless you identify the problem. Unless you integrate with world. Only then you can expect investors coming to your country and become prosperous.

If you go objectively(which you will after 5 years of Imran yield same results) you will see Nawaz actually pulled your country out from grim situation economically. Having debt is not that big a issue, infact it's not an issue at all, it becomes issue when you can't payback, and the institution that put you in a situation of not being able to payback is not GoP but Pakistan Army.

Its very easy and actually convenient to put blame on politicians to give a way out to real perpetrators. By not pointing out the real problem you are contributing and not mitigating the economic woes.

Alas he wont and perhaps the snake will come back stronger and more venomous. I despair for the common man.

With land grabber JKT, human trafficking and prostitution kingpin Zulfi Bukhari family, Lahore real estate mafia Aleem Khan as closest ever friend I had no hope that Imran can ever pull out Pakistan from this situation, wait and you will see how these vested interests kill any (if any) welfare agenda Imran can have. They put Imran in this seat they will have it back whatever they invested with fat interest.

 

[Harsh Bardhan]

Self-Contradictory

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Self-Contradictory

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It's policy of Imran Khan govt to lie about every phone call they ever get, every correspondence everything. His supporters already declared Umrah tax free work Saudi response on a proposal that ask for exemption on tax on second visit our something like that.

They just can't carry a single day without a blunder and big lie purely to show the govt to be strong and Imran to be world leader.

 

[randomradio]

That f7cking anus NS and Dar have literally left the country on the brink.

You are blaming the wrong people.

Pakistan needed structural reforms right after Kargil War. Musharraf just sat on his butt the entire time.

And it's well-known that the PA doesn't allow the civilian govt to change things because it affects Military Inc.

 

[Arvind]

Poke

My take is being in opposition and being in office are 2 completely different fields. Its easy to make commitments and promises when in opposition - actually carrying out and balancing the books in power is a completely different ball game.
Pakistan has voted to put him in the chair and the people must realise that he will undoubtedly make mistakes - he will have to learn pretty quickly because these hounds and fanboys of IK have limited patience and want to see action and results. If they expect wholesale changes - it will take time.
His trip to Saudi and potential request for $$ wont come for free and to go down the road of becoming the rottweiler in waiting at the Saudi command is IMO naive and dangerous for Pakistan stability. After all Saudi are the cause of gross instability across the Muslim world.
Next 2 weeks will be critical in his plans

Pakistanis took a RIGHT choice, given the options they had. Voting PPP or PMLN would have stamped them as utter idiots.

I do not, for now, doubt IK intentions. He seems dedicated but a losoe canon. What they are missing is concrete and worked upon road map, in absence of it they are behaving like a headless chicken and thus so many U Turn. Though U Turns in favor of right thing is welcome, but it adds to confusion not just in country but in overseas investors minds as well.

I can see IK took a leaf from Modi's handbook of handling elections, his fan base is even worse than bakhts, they infact took pride even in his looks.

 

[Arvind]

You are blaming the wrong people.

Pakistan needed structural reforms right after Kargil War. Musharraf just sat on his butt the entire time.

And it's well-known that the PA doesn't allow the civilian govt to change things because it affects Military Inc.

@Superkaif is blaming the right people, perhaps his list is not exhaustive. Army is party to Pakistan fate.

 

[Arvind]

There are bh*kts, then there are Aapt*ards and then combination of both on steroids are Imran fanboys.

The only difference is they dont have man crush on Rahul or Modi unlike Imran guys.

 

[Volcano]

An example of Pakistani airstrikes in Pishtun areas with "zero civilian casualties" according to ISPR

https://twitter.com/x/status/1053916708652630016

 

[Volcano]

Pakistan army opening fire on Pishtun protesters

https://twitter.com/x/status/1054197160693112832

 

[advaidhya]

@Superkaif is blaming the right people, perhaps his list is not exhaustive. Army is party to Pakistan fate.

Actually, Nawaz tried to change things but Army did not allow him. It brought in fake investigations to jail NS and debar him from elections. The tension was visible since the day Modi visited Pakistan secretively to meet with NS. Modi-USA-KSA-Sharif had tried to strike a deal for some 10 year to maintain silence to avoid unwanted conflict which yields no results. But Pakistan Army did not allow this purely out of arrogance and thick headedness.

 

[Arvind]

Actually, Nawaz tried to change things but Army did not allow him. It brought in fake investigations to jail NS and debar him from elections. The tension was visible since the day Modi visited Pakistan secretively to meet with NS. Modi-USA-KSA-Sharif had tried to strike a deal for some 10 year to maintain silence to avoid unwanted conflict which yields no results. But Pakistan Army did not allow this purely out of arrogance and thick headedness.

Indo-Pak relations are not the only aspect, NS and PMLN failed on economy front as well, corruption is rampant. Not everything can be painted on their armed forces. They settled for a status quo, with both parties got their areas to hunt.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Indo-Pak relations are not the only aspect, NS and PMLN failed on economy front as well, corruption is rampant. Not everything can be painted on their armed forces. They settled for a status quo, with both parties got their areas to hunt.

So why can't they bring a single corruption case against them? Not even a proof of 20year old corruption!

You should stop smoking what IK supporters or PA fanboys smoke. Corruption was not issue, it was a cover up, a cover-up so botched up that they couldn't prove a single thing. If you want to know more read the verdict of court and proceedings where the main prosecutor is living in different universe.

P.S. I am not saying NS and family is not corrupt, they are very much corrupt as Imran and his friends are, but this was not the issue. If corruption was issue half cabinet of Imran including him will be in jail and neither NS failed on economy. You can read my previous post. Pakistan has around $100Billion in debt for a economy of $300 Billion and 20 million people. By no economic parameters this can be called unsustainable debt or serious crisis. You should really cut back from pdf trolls or whatever your source of these news is and look at it objectively. Wait an year or so these fanboys will vanish when the euphoria die out and failures after failures are written over their beloved Imran.

 

[Arvind]

So why can't they bring a single corruption case against them? Not even a proof of 20year old corruption!

You should stop smoking what IK supporters or PA fanboys smoke. Corruption was not issue, it was a cover up, a cover-up so botched up that they couldn't prove a single thing. If you want to know more read the verdict of court and proceedings where the main prosecutor is living in different universe.

P.S. I am not saying NS and family is not corrupt, they are very much corrupt as Imran and his friends are, but this was not the issue. If corruption was issue half cabinet of Imran including him will be in jail and neither NS failed on economy. You can read my previous post. Pakistan has around $100Billion in debt for a economy of $300 Billion and 20 million people. By no economic parameters this can be called unsustainable debt or serious crisis. You should really cut back from pdf trolls or whatever your source of these news is and look at it objectively. Wait an year or so these fanboys will vanish when the euphoria die out and failures after failures are written over their beloved Imran.

Self contradictory post. I mean NS is corrupt but they could not prove. So?

Whats your reservation against my post of putting both army and "corrupt" NS together for Pakistan situation today? I can not be blind in my quest to put all onus on PA whom me and you dislike for obvious reasons.

In India, hardly any corruption get proved. Tell me more about botched up 2G scam.

With foreign reserve hardly enough to pay for 2 months bill, definitely their economy isn't in dire state.

PS: I do not smoke and my source of financial/political understanding is neither you or pak trolls on any other forum. However all kind of members do help me understand social flavor of a country, not complete but a section of it. You can do good without going personal.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

It's not self contradictory at all, the narrative being built is fraud. NS was not ousted for corruption and even the most blind PTI supporter will tell you that. I have wrote many times and so does almost every Pakistani old journalist about why he was ousted (not talking about paid jurnos of either party). Corruption has nothing to do with it.

Whats your reservation against my post of putting both army and "corrupt" NS together for Pakistan situation today? I can not be blind in my quest to put all onus on PA whom me and you dislike for obvious reasons.

So tell us how is NS responsible for current state? I told you how army is, now it's up to you to tell us how is "corrupt" NS responsible for current state of Pakistan since you claim that.

My like or dislike has nothing to do with what actually happened. I have more praises for PA for the manner with which they dominate and I can't be blinded by my dislike for them neither can I put onus on Nawaz just for the sake of looking neutral or more acceptable. If Nawaz was responsible I would have said that, he was no good to me or India, infact his confrontation policy saved Pakistan a few times from getting back into chaos, I will prefer Imran as ruler on 10/10 days for taking Pakistan back into division and violence.

You missed the point about my comment on debt, if you read it in context it will make sense. Debt of Pakistan is not unsustainable, the lack of options is, and NS is not responsible for lack of options. A country of $600 Billion GDP took $57 Billions of loan from IMF few weeks back, nobody predict doom for them nor does anyone blamed corruption for it. Corruption is romantic narrative to sell, but even in a semi functioning country the numbers don't end up to make an economic collapse. NS or corruption didn't took away 12 Billion from forex reserves. Maybe public spending and imprudent fiscal measures created this situation but not curruption, not in this case.


And my apologies if you feel offended, didn't meant that.

 

[Arvind]

It's not self contradictory at all, the narrative being built is fraud. NS was not ousted for corruption and even the most blind PTI supporter will tell you that. I have wrote many times and so does almost every Pakistani old journalist about why he was ousted (not talking about paid jurnos of either party). Corruption has nothing to do with it.

I am wondering when did toppling of NS become the concern. It was about the current state of Pakistan.

And let me reiterate - I said NS along with PA both responsible for it.

How about not commenting as political analyst with no interest in people welfare. For once lets not worry about who constitute an "establishment".

So tell us how is NS responsible for current state? I told you how army is, now it's up to you to tell us how is "corrupt" NS responsible for current state of Pakistan since you claim that.

You want me to prove you how a corrupt government and a leader can harm a country? Really.

Furthermore, you yourself agreed, repetitively in your last few post, that NS is corrupt and so its party.

However you tagged this with "Iss hamam me sab nange hai" which do not absolve of NS with his deeds.

My like or dislike has nothing to do with what actually happened. I have more praises for PA for the manner with which they dominate and I can't be blinded by my dislike for them neither can I put onus on Nawaz just for the sake of looking neutral or more acceptable. If Nawaz was responsible I would have said that, he was no good to me or India, infact his confrontation policy saved Pakistan a few times from getting back into chaos, I will prefer Imran as ruler on 10/10 days for taking Pakistan back into division and violence.

That's sheer perception. You see Imran as divisive and extremist, however is there any explanation of why Pakistan was synonymous to Punjab?

You missed the point about my comment on debt, if you read it in context it will make sense. Debt of Pakistan is not unsustainable, the lack of options is, and NS is not responsible for lack of options. A country of $600 Billion GDP took $57 Billions of loan from IMF few weeks back, nobody predict doom for them nor does anyone blamed corruption for it. Corruption is romantic narrative to sell, but even in a semi functioning country the numbers don't end up to make an economic collapse. NS or corruption didn't took away 12 Billion from forex reserves. Maybe public spending and imprudent fiscal measures created this situation but not corruption, not in this case.

Their problem is not debt to be precise, but fiscal deficit, foreign reserves to meet their day to day needs. A country with good future prospects and some credibility find themselves enough buyer in markets to loan them out. Pakistan has none, reason being it doesn't induct confidence in eyes of investors. What minute detail you are missing here is corruption do not happen out of thin air, you need to spend on projects which can give you corruption prospects. Corruption and incompetency is cause of imprudent and un-necessary public spending and a government is responsible for all.

And my apologies if you feel offended, didn't meant that.

No issues. Just that it brings on the desire to respond in more offending ways which should be avoided. I have been guilty of the same in past.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

You want me to prove you how a corrupt government and a leader can harm a country? Really.

Not really, I wanted to know how can corruption create a situation as big as economic collapse.

Their problem is not debt to be precise, but fiscal deficit, foreign reserves to meet their day to day needs.

Forex reserves got depleted because of recent debt payment. You can check the fall in reserves in past few weeks.

A country with good future prospects and some credibility find themselves enough buyer in markets to loan them out. Pakistan has none, reason being it doesn't induct confidence in eyes of investors.

I wonder why that would be!

What minute detail you are missing here is corruption do not happen out of thin air, you need to spend on projects which can give you corruption prospects. Corruption and incompetency is cause of imprudent and un-necessary public spending and a government is responsible for all.

Massive infrastructure spending is not prerequisite for corruption. People can scam big even from chit funds. If you want money there are plenty of welfare schemes you can launch where you can't even audit later or find proof of corruption. Mega infra always leave trail of money and more risky for corruption potential.

We can agree to disagree here, you are looking at it from political angle or political + economical angle, however I am looking at it from economical angle and from that point of view neither debt nor balance of payment issue can arise from skimming few percent from few projects. $12 billion or even $1 billion is big enough amount to hide or launder without getting caught in this very vigilant financial world.

 

[randomradio]

@Superkaif is blaming the right people, perhaps his list is not exhaustive. Army is party to Pakistan fate.

How do you make reforms when the army doesn't allow it to happen?