yes. and in taht he claimed that IK didn't know about impending events and was waiting for PA inputs before he reacted on the issue. Therefore it was taken off.
Jammu & Kashmir live updates: GOI remove all provisions of Article 370
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yes. and in taht he claimed that IK didn't know about impending events and was waiting for PA inputs before he reacted on the issue. Therefore it was taken off.
Bosnians have fond memories of Pak peacekeepers. Hence the support.
Outside of that, a broke country extending diplomatic support to another broke country on an issue where neither country's opinion is worth a damn is exactly what is wrong in today's world politics.
What are you talking about, why would you kill clowns, his main purpose is entertainment, his narrative pushes their qaum two-three decades behind every time he opens his mouth.
He hasn't done anything wrong, he is just airing his backward views, so there is no question of capturing him. What I would suggest is to offer him good money to appear on Arnabs show, now that would be fun.
Let's discuss some other things ,Seems quite interesting,I could say....
1. Pakistan using (last 3or4 years,may be)the Military Grade satellite signals from China...So means all froward movement from both sides are under strictly observed...If people think that,it did not happend,then good luck to them.Please do analysis the 27th feb incident thoroughly once again..
2. All details of Iaf's recent weapon purchasing(how many types particularly) and also Pakistan's begging from China (Pl 15,etc) available to both sides, and have a clear-cut Idea about what weapon will be used and when(due to deep mole)...Now here the black project weapon take the lead but depend upon the intensity of war(you can't expose all your Bromhastro for a limited war when Superpowers interference is predictable)
3.Now Pakistan Navy is the most weakest between(recently integrated JF17 with CM400akg,babur with agusta sub)they know it very much,Inspire of that they are openly threatening to invade to India to score some browny point!!!
4. Condition of Pakistani Economy is now worse condition,so where do they got money for war (small scale or full scale).China(money),UAE(oil,money),Turkey(weapons),USA(F16 SPARE PARTS,Military Aid for afgan peace talk) will come to the picture..War is a costly business so how long they want to fight....Depends upon India's Deplomacy...Result will be devastating for Pakistan if any two country oppose to do that during war...
5.First of all,Any type of Army deployment will be caught in moments,they can't hide through night cover.May be they already started to move their force to the border area... now weak economy will not stand so long in the border because it is direct disproportionate to money.. They will be wait for now but not so long.
So what is the most logical option to pakistan??(though logical word doesn't suit for them)
1. Pakistan using (last 3or4 years,may be)the Military Grade satellite signals from China...So means all froward movement from both sides are under strictly observed...If people think that,it did not happend,then good luck to them.Please do analysis the 27th feb incident thoroughly once again..
2. All details of Iaf's recent weapon purchasing(how many types particularly) and also Pakistan's begging from China (Pl 15,etc) available to both sides, and have a clear-cut Idea about what weapon will be used and when(due to deep mole)...Now here the black project weapon take the lead but depend upon the intensity of war(you can't expose all your Bromhastro for a limited war when Superpowers interference is predictable)
3.Now Pakistan Navy is the most weakest between(recently integrated JF17 with CM400akg,babur with agusta sub)they know it very much,Inspire of that they are openly threatening to invade to India to score some browny point!!!
4. Condition of Pakistani Economy is now worse condition,so where do they got money for war (small scale or full scale).China(money),UAE(oil,money),Turkey(weapons),USA(F16 SPARE PARTS,Military Aid for afgan peace talk) will come to the picture..War is a costly business so how long they want to fight....Depends upon India's Deplomacy...Result will be devastating for Pakistan if any two country oppose to do that during war...
5.First of all,Any type of Army deployment will be caught in moments,they can't hide through night cover.May be they already started to move their force to the border area... now weak economy will not stand so long in the border because it is direct disproportionate to money.. They will be wait for now but not so long.
So what is the most logical option to pakistan??(though logical word doesn't suit for them)
I don't know where did you get the notion that we're defying the US or cocking a snook at it by sudden declaration of the withdrawal of Article 370 . There are plenty of articles out there which have clearly reported that the US was kept in the loop of this development and furthermore the same was communcated to Pakistan during the visit of IK & Bajwa to the US.
I've interpolated this to a hypothesis that there's a tacit agreement with the US that post the withdrawal of the US forces from there the task of bolstering the GoA will be with India. More than any other country in the region, the deposing of the incumbent GoA will be to our detriment. Right now, the GoA can fight Taliban and grind them to a stalemate even without US support but once the US withdraws, the Taliban will definitely be joined by thousands of PA personnel serving and retired.There's a clear precedent to this in the previous Taliban takeover of Afghanistan.
Moreover , It's the stated aim of the PA that they desire strategic depth in Afghanistan to prosecute their aims in Kashmir. They've been very overt with this claim. We can ignore this only to our peril.
My view is this must have been spun off to the US - as India can & will support the GoA but in order to do so we require to have clear supply lines to Afghanistan which in turn would mean taking of PoK. Whether the US consented to this or not will be known shortly. Pakistan is not a position to demand anything. As long as the Taliban were waging war in Afghanistan and Pakistan controlled the line for logistics, the US blissfully unaware kept loosening it's purse strings for Pakistan. It was only a matter of time before the law of diminishing returns caught up with the PA. To cut a long story short , it did. Believe me, irrespective of how PA spins this, the saddest people to see the back of the US Army in Afghanistan would be the PA. For as long as the US maintained a presence there, the PA still harboured some hope of extracting their pound of flesh no matter how bad the relationship between the US & Pakistan turned out to be.
To come back to my point about whether there is a tacit agreement between the US & India, you've to look at the trajectory of negotiations between the US & Taliban. One of the principals of negotiations is never disclose what you're looking for at the beginning.The US started out by declaring they wanted the Taliban to join the peace process, initiate negotiations with the GoA, participate in elections, etc. The demand for a cease fire to facilitate US withdrawal was at the bottom of the list and that's the only thing they wanted. I don't think there are any illusions in Washington as to the true nature of both the Pakistani deep state as well as the Taliban.
Which in turn raises the question about what will the US do if the GoA capitulates and the Taliban return to power. Given the constraints of US diplomacy, what with their relationship with Iran, Russia, China, Pakistan & India, there's only one nation they could trust - India. With the US gone, I believe Russia & Iran not enamoured in any sense with the Taliban or Pakistan will be ready to resume support to the GoA. Add to this the presence of China which had a growing footprint in the CAR, much to Russian discomfiture.
The only puzzle is that of NWP of Pakistan. Have we received concrete guarantees from the US that if push comes to shove, will they participate in the defanging of Pakistan?
I sincerely hope the incumbent GoI doesn't sit on it's backside hoping for others to fight our battles and shows some initiative. We've the example of what happened to India once Pakistan gained strategic depth in Afghanistan before us. If we don't utilize this opportunity to settle the issue of PoK once & for all in the garb of helping Afghanistan ( which is also an imperative in our strategic calculations) , we'd only have ourselves to blame.
History was already created.this is not history.why tag me? Your forget your leaders promise.
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There were some inputs of CFV at sunderbani. Looks normal though.
That promise died with the leader.
The leader wanted to go as per UN mandate AFTER Pakistan demobilized. Which Pakistan has singularly failed to do.
Then Pakistan gobbled up PoK and left the mango seed sized AJK effectively rendering the resolutions useless.
By the virtue of being the most famous (Ok I am being generous) member from your "esteemed nation", we are deeming you the acting High Commissioner of your nation to this forum. You will have the unique privilege of being tagged to all documents pertaining to your nation among other duties of largely "ceremonial" nature.
Given that except a few spontaneous protests most of them are organized mobs it will take time.
It will take time for terrorists to contact their masters in pakistan, get a new plan ,gather a crowd, pay them ...etc
I disagree.
Its a match fixed between US and India. Trump is acting well, its a carrot and the stick approach and in the end Imran will get a danda. I do not think India would have taken such bold steps without keeping P4 in confidence.
US will rightly play "I am innocent" card, keep Pakistan interested by looming Indian bogey for time good enough to wrap up from Afghanistan. Infact I suspect US tutoring Pak now the value of them getting out of Afghan and let Pak use Mujhahid for a greater cause.
Pakistan's decision to suspend trade relations unlikely to harm India
2 min read . Updated: 07 Aug 2019, 10:58 PM IST IANS
In this handout picture taken and released by Prime Minister Office (PMO) on 7 August, 2019 Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan (L) chairs a National Security Committee meeting along with armed forces chiefs and other government officials in Islamabad
New Delhi: Although Pakistan on Wednesday announced it would suspend trade relations with India, the move would have "very minimal" impact on India's overall trade scenario and its bussinesses.
Pakistan's top civil and military leadership on Wednesday decided to expel Indian High Commissioner Ajay Bisaria and suspend bilateral trade with India in the wake of New Delhi's move to revoke special status for Jammu and Kashmir.
The major reason for the nominal impact of the trade suspension on India's businesses and economy is that a large part of the trade between the two countries takes place through the informal route, which means that the trade takes place through a third country.
As per a recent report by Indian Council for Research on International Economic Relations (ICRIER), the total exports from India to Pakistan in the financial year 2018-2019 was around $2 billion. But the latest data of informal exports as per the ICRIER report which goes back to 2012-13, was $3.9 billion, nearly twice the current value of formal exports.
Similarly, the informal imports by India from its western neighbour was recorded at $721 million in 2012-13 and the latest formal imports (2018-19), is well short of that level at $494.8 million, showed the report.
Informal trade has continued to increase as the formal route has seen its ups and downs in the recent past. Such module of trade is not included in the national income. Countries sometimes choose informal trade route also to avoid high tariff and trade restrictions.
In the case of two countries, India-UAE-Pakistan is the primary channel for informal trading. In this process, trade is recorded between India and UAE and between Pakistan and UAE, but is not directly recorded between India and Pakistan.
According to the 2012-2013 data, the items primary informally exported from India were jewellery, textiles, machinery and machine parts and electronic appliances among others. On the other hand, India's informal imports from Pakistan consisted of textiles, dried fruits, spices, carpets among others.
The major items exported by India through the formal route include chemical products and textiles among others, and the formally imported items include mineral products and vegetable items.
Further, we can also see major contrast between the economies of the two countries. As of now the size of India economy has grown to around $2900 billion. On the other hand, the size of Pakistan's economy is about $273 billion.
Pakistan's Economic Survey 2018-19, showed that the country's GDP grew at only 3.3 per cent in the fiscal year 2018-19. On the other hand, India's GDP grew at 6.8 per cent during the fiscal year 2018-19. However, the Indian economy is still much bigger than Pakistan. The size of Indian economy is $2,900 billion, almost nine times larger than Pakistan.
In terms of foreign exchange reserves, too Pakistan is in dilapidated condition with forex reserves of around $17.4 billion, compared to India $420 billion forex reserve.
Given the situation, it is highly unlikely that the trade suspension between the two countries would in any major way impact India and its businesses. Further, India already has revoked the Most Favoured Nation tag given to Pakistan, which snatches away the trade benefits Pakistan used to get.
Pakistan's decision to suspend trade relations unlikely to harm India
2 min read . Updated: 07 Aug 2019, 10:58 PM IST IANS
- Pak on Wednesday expelled Indian High Commissioner and suspended bilateral trade with India after special status for J&K got scrapped
- Major reason for the nominal impact of trade suspension on Indian economy is that a large part of the trade between the countries takes place through informal route
In this handout picture taken and released by Prime Minister Office (PMO) on 7 August, 2019 Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan (L) chairs a National Security Committee meeting along with armed forces chiefs and other government officials in Islamabad
New Delhi: Although Pakistan on Wednesday announced it would suspend trade relations with India, the move would have "very minimal" impact on India's overall trade scenario and its bussinesses.
Pakistan's top civil and military leadership on Wednesday decided to expel Indian High Commissioner Ajay Bisaria and suspend bilateral trade with India in the wake of New Delhi's move to revoke special status for Jammu and Kashmir.
The major reason for the nominal impact of the trade suspension on India's businesses and economy is that a large part of the trade between the two countries takes place through the informal route, which means that the trade takes place through a third country.
As per a recent report by Indian Council for Research on International Economic Relations (ICRIER), the total exports from India to Pakistan in the financial year 2018-2019 was around $2 billion. But the latest data of informal exports as per the ICRIER report which goes back to 2012-13, was $3.9 billion, nearly twice the current value of formal exports.
Similarly, the informal imports by India from its western neighbour was recorded at $721 million in 2012-13 and the latest formal imports (2018-19), is well short of that level at $494.8 million, showed the report.
Informal trade has continued to increase as the formal route has seen its ups and downs in the recent past. Such module of trade is not included in the national income. Countries sometimes choose informal trade route also to avoid high tariff and trade restrictions.
In the case of two countries, India-UAE-Pakistan is the primary channel for informal trading. In this process, trade is recorded between India and UAE and between Pakistan and UAE, but is not directly recorded between India and Pakistan.
According to the 2012-2013 data, the items primary informally exported from India were jewellery, textiles, machinery and machine parts and electronic appliances among others. On the other hand, India's informal imports from Pakistan consisted of textiles, dried fruits, spices, carpets among others.
The major items exported by India through the formal route include chemical products and textiles among others, and the formally imported items include mineral products and vegetable items.
Further, we can also see major contrast between the economies of the two countries. As of now the size of India economy has grown to around $2900 billion. On the other hand, the size of Pakistan's economy is about $273 billion.
Pakistan's Economic Survey 2018-19, showed that the country's GDP grew at only 3.3 per cent in the fiscal year 2018-19. On the other hand, India's GDP grew at 6.8 per cent during the fiscal year 2018-19. However, the Indian economy is still much bigger than Pakistan. The size of Indian economy is $2,900 billion, almost nine times larger than Pakistan.
In terms of foreign exchange reserves, too Pakistan is in dilapidated condition with forex reserves of around $17.4 billion, compared to India $420 billion forex reserve.
Given the situation, it is highly unlikely that the trade suspension between the two countries would in any major way impact India and its businesses. Further, India already has revoked the Most Favoured Nation tag given to Pakistan, which snatches away the trade benefits Pakistan used to get.
Pakistan's decision to suspend trade relations unlikely to harm India
US Asks Pakistan to Show 'Visible Progress' in Action Against Terror Outfits to Exit FATF List
The FATF last year placed Pakistan on the grey list of countries whose domestic laws are considered weak to tackle the challenges of money laundering and terrorism financing.
PTI
Updated:August 7, 2019, 5:39 PM IST
File photo of Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan with US President Donald Trump.
Islamabad: The US has asked Pakistan to show some "visible progress" in its action against the banned terror outfits and their leaderships to address the concerns of more countries and help Islamabad move out of the grey list of Financial Action Task Force (FATF), according to a media report.
A US delegation was in Islamabad to have an independent assessment of steps, actions and measures identified during the Florida meetings of the Paris-based anti-money laundering watchdog in June this year and the progress made by Pakistan since then, a senior government official told Pakistani daily Dawn.
In June, the FATF said that Pakistan failed to complete its action plan on terror financing. It warned Islamabad to meet its commitment by October or face action, which could possibly lead to the country getting blacklisted.
The FATF last year placed Pakistan on the grey list of countries whose domestic laws are considered weak to tackle the challenges of money laundering and terrorism financing.
The US delegation's visit comes after Prime Minister Imran Khan visited Washington and held talks with President Donald Trump.
The US delegation comprising Acting Assistant Secretary of State for the Bureau of South and Central Asian Affairs Ambassador Alice G Wells, US Treasury officials Scott Rembrandt, Grant Vickers, David Galbraith and others met Adviser to the Prime Minister on Finance and Revenue Abdul Hafeez Shaikh on Tuesday.
The adviser briefed the visiting delegation on the measures pertaining to economic reforms being undertaken by the Government of Pakistan to ensure economic discipline, efforts being made towards implementation of the FATF Action Plan and the key challenges being faced, said an official statement.
The official, who has been part of Pakistan's team interacting with the FATF and Asia Pacific Group (APG) over the past year, told the daily that Islamabad had taken significant steps since the FATF meetings in June.
He informed the US delegation that the National Assembly's standing committee on finance had cleared two critical bills relating to amendments in foreign exchange regulations and anti-money laundering law.
However, the visiting delegation was interested in a time frame when they would become laws, properly passed by the parliament and signed by the President of Pakistan, the report said.
"The US delegation had rather strong position on taking actions against banned outfits, their activities and movements of their leaderships and key operatives and wanted some visible progress by the authorities to address adverse opinions from majority of FATF members," the official said.
He said the international partners helped Islamabad engage foreign consultants to support and prepare key stakeholders such as the Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan (SECP), the National Counter-Terrorism Authority (Nacta), the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) and the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) to take actions and formulate reports keeping in view the international perspective.
He claimed that the Pakistani authorities had made significant progress during the past one year, particularly over the past couple of months, but the international perspective in various presentations and reports to the APG and FATF was missing.
He expressed hope that international experts in the four key organisations would bridge those groups.
Ambassador Wells-led team's assessment would be shared with the APG simultaneously with a report to be prepared by Pakistan for discussions in September and then become the basis of FATF meeting due from October 13 to 18 in Paris to decide Islamabad's compliance with requirements of the global financial watchdog relating to anti-money laundering (AML) and to counter terror financing (CFT).
An official statement said Shaikh briefed the delegation regarding implementation of FATF Action Plan and said the government is putting in all-out efforts to complete the action plan, involving all relevant authorities at the federal and provincial levels, supported by capacity building through international partners.
US Asks Pakistan to Show 'Visible Progress' in Action Against Terror Outfits to Exit FATF List
The FATF last year placed Pakistan on the grey list of countries whose domestic laws are considered weak to tackle the challenges of money laundering and terrorism financing.
PTI
Updated:August 7, 2019, 5:39 PM IST
File photo of Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan with US President Donald Trump.
Islamabad: The US has asked Pakistan to show some "visible progress" in its action against the banned terror outfits and their leaderships to address the concerns of more countries and help Islamabad move out of the grey list of Financial Action Task Force (FATF), according to a media report.
A US delegation was in Islamabad to have an independent assessment of steps, actions and measures identified during the Florida meetings of the Paris-based anti-money laundering watchdog in June this year and the progress made by Pakistan since then, a senior government official told Pakistani daily Dawn.
In June, the FATF said that Pakistan failed to complete its action plan on terror financing. It warned Islamabad to meet its commitment by October or face action, which could possibly lead to the country getting blacklisted.
The FATF last year placed Pakistan on the grey list of countries whose domestic laws are considered weak to tackle the challenges of money laundering and terrorism financing.
The US delegation's visit comes after Prime Minister Imran Khan visited Washington and held talks with President Donald Trump.
The US delegation comprising Acting Assistant Secretary of State for the Bureau of South and Central Asian Affairs Ambassador Alice G Wells, US Treasury officials Scott Rembrandt, Grant Vickers, David Galbraith and others met Adviser to the Prime Minister on Finance and Revenue Abdul Hafeez Shaikh on Tuesday.
The adviser briefed the visiting delegation on the measures pertaining to economic reforms being undertaken by the Government of Pakistan to ensure economic discipline, efforts being made towards implementation of the FATF Action Plan and the key challenges being faced, said an official statement.
The official, who has been part of Pakistan's team interacting with the FATF and Asia Pacific Group (APG) over the past year, told the daily that Islamabad had taken significant steps since the FATF meetings in June.
He informed the US delegation that the National Assembly's standing committee on finance had cleared two critical bills relating to amendments in foreign exchange regulations and anti-money laundering law.
However, the visiting delegation was interested in a time frame when they would become laws, properly passed by the parliament and signed by the President of Pakistan, the report said.
"The US delegation had rather strong position on taking actions against banned outfits, their activities and movements of their leaderships and key operatives and wanted some visible progress by the authorities to address adverse opinions from majority of FATF members," the official said.
He said the international partners helped Islamabad engage foreign consultants to support and prepare key stakeholders such as the Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan (SECP), the National Counter-Terrorism Authority (Nacta), the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) and the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) to take actions and formulate reports keeping in view the international perspective.
He claimed that the Pakistani authorities had made significant progress during the past one year, particularly over the past couple of months, but the international perspective in various presentations and reports to the APG and FATF was missing.
He expressed hope that international experts in the four key organisations would bridge those groups.
Ambassador Wells-led team's assessment would be shared with the APG simultaneously with a report to be prepared by Pakistan for discussions in September and then become the basis of FATF meeting due from October 13 to 18 in Paris to decide Islamabad's compliance with requirements of the global financial watchdog relating to anti-money laundering (AML) and to counter terror financing (CFT).
An official statement said Shaikh briefed the delegation regarding implementation of FATF Action Plan and said the government is putting in all-out efforts to complete the action plan, involving all relevant authorities at the federal and provincial levels, supported by capacity building through international partners.
US Asks Pakistan to Show 'Visible Progress' in Action Against Terror Outfits to Exit FATF List