INS Sindhudvaj was the Indian sub. Corpus Christi was the USN sub. Los Angeles class.
The Russian sub Lada class was a failure. They have started a new one under Project Kalina.
Russia Completes Design Work for New 5th Generation Submarine
As for the Lada itself, it's undergone quite a bit of modification in order to make it acceptable for service, but it's not going to see a future in other navies. I'm hoping the Russians participate with the Kalina.
Russia Completes Design Work for New 5th Generation Submarine
As for the Lada itself, it's undergone quite a bit of modification in order to make it acceptable for service, but it's not going to see a future in other navies. I'm hoping the Russians participate with the Kalina.
They can do that but as the Russian sonars gradually improved this advantage was negated to some extent.
Just remember the collision between an english and a french boomers : despite top of the art sensors, they were unable to hear the other.
I doubt russian sonars to be state of the art, specially on an export Kilo.
Ohh Yess and also specifically tuned for waters around us which are the most difficult waters for hunting a sub.
Yep. We've been making sonars since the 80s, so we are on par with the rest of the world.
Russians have export models and then they have their own stuff. The prime consumer for Russian made submarines is the Russian Navy which goes up against the USN.
Ignore what the western media says, Russian tier 1 equipment does the job well. Now if only maintaining it was easier.
No, the Scorpenes came in through a tender, so the electronics configuration is the same as whatever the vendor participated with.
We only change what we can control fully.
Since Scorpene was selected through a tender, it's the foreign company's job to configure their submarine and then participate. And the navy can't simply reconfigure the submarine apart from adding some India specific customisation, which is also mostly foreign tech. So there won't be any major Indian input in the sub within tender specifications.
For example, Rafale won L1, but this L1 was with Thales tech. IAF can't have the avionics replaced with Uttam radar or Indian EW etc.
Since AIP wasn't part of the sub tender, IN asked for an Indian AIP. But even in this case IN decided on Indian AIP because the French AIP didn't suit their needs. Meaning, the first preference is always the foreign company. If a foreign company meets requirements, it's good enough.
Tender will be out soon. And DRDO is also developing one.
Navy Finds Defects In INS KHANDERI Submarine; Further Delay Expected | Indian Defence News
Series of disturbing incidents.
Sir, what are your sources telling you? Anything you can share? @vstol Jockey
Series of disturbing incidents.
Sir, what are your sources telling you? Anything you can share? @vstol Jockey
Navy finds defects in Scorpene submarine; one more year of delay
Project-75, which involves building six Scorpene submarines in Mazagon Dock (MDL), Mumbai, had already been running five years late by the time the first one, INS Kalvari, was commissioned on December 14, 2017. With the navy reporting a host of problems in the second vessel, INS Khanderi, the project has now slipped by at least one more year. The navy has refused to commission the Khanderi into service until all its defects and deficiencies are fully rectified.
The defence ministry has fully supported the navy’s insistence that MDL and its technology partner, French warship builder Naval Group, deliver a fully seaworthy and battle-worthy vessel. “The liability of delivering a fully functional submarine is that of Naval Group. If we accept the boat with shortcomings, the liability would be on us,” said a senior admiral.
The most worrying problem the navy discovered during the Khanderi’s sea trials was a killer defect for a submarine: Its engines and propellers were emitting an unduly high level of noise.
A submarine’s effectiveness in battle, and its very survival, depends upon it remaining undetected. Enemy sonar detectors — mounted on aircraft, warships and submarines — search relentlessly for sounds emitted by enemy submarines. Once detected, a submarine is easy meat for enemy depth charges or torpedoes.
The Khanderi’s noisiness is not its only problem; the navy has pointed out 35 other defects and has demanded they be rectified before it commissions the vessel. Nor can these problems be addressed quickly, since 29 of them require to be tested when the sea is absolutely calm — or in what is termed “Sea State — 1”. With the monsoon imminent, calm seas are unlikely before September.
Another four issues require the submarine be docked in a navy dockyard for testing. This runs up against an existing docking schedule that dockyards have already issued, involving numerous other warships.
Meanwhile, the third Project-75 submarine, INS Karanj, has just begun trials. It is unclear whether there will be as many problems as with the Khanderi. The Indian Navy and MDL both declined to comment on the matter. However, neither of the two denied the existence of numerous defects in the Khanderi.
For the navy, which is making do with just 14 conventional submarines against a requirement of 24, the INS Khanderi delay extends a dangerous operational void.
Over recent years, both the navy’s nuclear submarines, the indigenous INS Arihant and the Russia-leased INS Chakra, have been out of action for extended spells after accidents.
Project 75 kicked off in 2005, when the navy signed a Rs 18,798 crore contract for MDL to build six conventional submarines, with technology transferred by Franco-Spanish consortium Armaris. All six Scorpenes were to be delivered between 2012-2015, but the sixth will only be delivered now by 2022.
Meanwhile, Armaris was taken over by France’s Direction des Constructions Navales Services (DCNS), and its cost went up to Rs 23,562 crore. In 2017, DCNS changed its name to Naval Group.
Besides INS Kalvari, the navy’s 14 conventional submarines include four 20-30 year-old, German-origin HDW 877 EKM boats (called the Sindhughosh-class); and nine 10-20 year-old, Russian-origin Kilo class Type 209 vessels (called the Shishumar class).
In addition to five more Scorpenes, six more conventional submarines are planned to be built under Project 75-I, by an Indian firm in partnership with a foreign vendor. Tendering for that is still to begin
Shukla ji is getting very good stories lately
Project-75, which involves building six Scorpene submarines in Mazagon Dock (MDL), Mumbai, had already been running five years late by the time the first one, INS Kalvari, was commissioned on December 14, 2017. With the navy reporting a host of problems in the second vessel, INS Khanderi, the project has now slipped by at least one more year. The navy has refused to commission the Khanderi into service until all its defects and deficiencies are fully rectified.
The defence ministry has fully supported the navy’s insistence that MDL and its technology partner, French warship builder Naval Group, deliver a fully seaworthy and battle-worthy vessel. “The liability of delivering a fully functional submarine is that of Naval Group. If we accept the boat with shortcomings, the liability would be on us,” said a senior admiral.
The most worrying problem the navy discovered during the Khanderi’s sea trials was a killer defect for a submarine: Its engines and propellers were emitting an unduly high level of noise.
A submarine’s effectiveness in battle, and its very survival, depends upon it remaining undetected. Enemy sonar detectors — mounted on aircraft, warships and submarines — search relentlessly for sounds emitted by enemy submarines. Once detected, a submarine is easy meat for enemy depth charges or torpedoes.
The Khanderi’s noisiness is not its only problem; the navy has pointed out 35 other defects and has demanded they be rectified before it commissions the vessel. Nor can these problems be addressed quickly, since 29 of them require to be tested when the sea is absolutely calm — or in what is termed “Sea State — 1”. With the monsoon imminent, calm seas are unlikely before September.
Another four issues require the submarine be docked in a navy dockyard for testing. This runs up against an existing docking schedule that dockyards have already issued, involving numerous other warships.
Meanwhile, the third Project-75 submarine, INS Karanj, has just begun trials. It is unclear whether there will be as many problems as with the Khanderi. The Indian Navy and MDL both declined to comment on the matter. However, neither of the two denied the existence of numerous defects in the Khanderi.
For the navy, which is making do with just 14 conventional submarines against a requirement of 24, the INS Khanderi delay extends a dangerous operational void.
Over recent years, both the navy’s nuclear submarines, the indigenous INS Arihant and the Russia-leased INS Chakra, have been out of action for extended spells after accidents.
Project 75 kicked off in 2005, when the navy signed a Rs 18,798 crore contract for MDL to build six conventional submarines, with technology transferred by Franco-Spanish consortium Armaris. All six Scorpenes were to be delivered between 2012-2015, but the sixth will only be delivered now by 2022.
Meanwhile, Armaris was taken over by France’s Direction des Constructions Navales Services (DCNS), and its cost went up to Rs 23,562 crore. In 2017, DCNS changed its name to Naval Group.
Besides INS Kalvari, the navy’s 14 conventional submarines include four 20-30 year-old, German-origin HDW 877 EKM boats (called the Sindhughosh-class); and nine 10-20 year-old, Russian-origin Kilo class Type 209 vessels (called the Shishumar class).
In addition to five more Scorpenes, six more conventional submarines are planned to be built under Project 75-I, by an Indian firm in partnership with a foreign vendor. Tendering for that is still to begin
Shukla ji is getting very good stories lately
If the first sub was commissioned, there is no real reason the second can't. It's only a question of details and time.
Don't forget such a complex machine is made of several hundred thousand components. It may take times to fine tuned all.