Kashmir : Counter Terror Operation Updates and Discussions

[safriz]

The whole Jihadi infrastructure itself doesn’t cost much. All you need is some money for small arms and IEDs and a ton of brainwashed people. Former is managed by collecting zakaat and later is avilable in pakistan dozens a dime.
Training is provided by ex-servicemen.
@safriz

That was the case until late 90s.
We trained both Kashmiri and Sikh on our soil.
I even saw that myself.
It hasn't been done at least since 1998.
One more interesting fact is that the training was not provided by Ex-servicemen but by uniformed soldiers at military firing ranges.
It wasn't even a secret. It was openly being done.
Your post brought back a recent memory.
On 26th February 2019 when Indian jets dropped bombs near Balakot, I watched the news an laughed.
My thoughts were that Indians are 20+ years too late.
Because that was the forest area where our soldiers used to train Kashmiri fighters back in the 90s.
Those training camps are long gone.
Back then this area was heavily forested and very little population.
Likewise the Kashmiri freedom fighters back then were far hardier .
You could tell they were military trained.
Now these Maruti riding jeans clad boys are easy targets for indian military as they are untrained.
Can't you tell?

 

[Deathstar]

That was the case until late 90s.
We trained both Kashmiri and Sikh on our soil.
I even saw that myself.
It hasn't been done at least since 1998.
One more interesting fact is that the training was not provided by Ex-servicemen but by uniformed soldiers at military firing ranges.
It wasn't even a secret. It was openly being done.
Your post brought back a recent memory.
On 26th February 2019 when Indian jets dropped bombs near Balakot, I watched the news an laughed.
My thoughts were that Indians are 20+ years too late.
Because that was the forest area where our soldiers used to train Kashmiri fighters back in the 90s.
Those training camps are long gone.
Back then this area was heavily forested and very little population.
Likewise the Kashmiri freedom fighters back then were far hardier .
You could tell they were military trained.
Now these Maruti riding jeans clad boys are easy targets for indian military as they are untrained.
Can't you tell?

Nice try to whitewash Pakistan's hand in training terrorists. Your own PM says there are 30-40k militants, 40 armed militias in Pakistan. And i think if Pakistan isnt training anyone today, then the UN is a fool to list many Pakistani organizations and individuals on UN terror list.
In the 90s we fought Afghan Taliban fighters and now Pakjabis

 

[safriz]

Nice try to whitewash Pakistan's hand in training terrorists. Your own PM says there are 30-40k militants, 40 armed militias in Pakistan. And i think if Pakistan isnt training anyone today, then the UN is a fool to list many Pakistani organizations and individuals on UN terror list.
In the 90s we fought Afghan Taliban fighters and now Pakjabis

Yes... TTP . But most are dead now or ran to Afghanistan.
We are not training Kashmiri and Khalistan fighters or your military had known the difference.
These poor angry boys are no match for what it used to be until the 90s .
Ask one of your own veterans who served in Kashmir back then.
And what do you mean by "you fought Afghan Taliban in the 90s?"
Back then there were no Taliban.
And what's Pakjabi?
Anyway, I don't argue with clowns. So carry on.

 

[AbRaj]

That was the case until late 90s.
We trained both Kashmiri and Sikh on our soil.
I even saw that myself.
It hasn't been done at least since 1998.

Previously it was more open due to strong US support and the whole Afghan Jihad saga. Now after 9/11 its more localized and kept away from public view.

BTW Musharraf was the man who helped us fence our borders.
IMO he was honest in his intention to bring some king of peace bet two sides. But by that time his power was diminished.

 

[Deathstar]

Yes... TTP . But most are dead now or ran to Afghanistan.
We are not training Kashmiri and Khalistan fighters or your military had known the difference.
These poor angry boys are no match for what it used to be until the 90s .
Ask one of your own veterans who served in Kashmir back then.

Yeah yeah right , u aren't training them. Your PM is lying and UN is a fool then.
There's a difference , 90s had Afghan Taliban which made a difference and not training. Afghans are formidable fighters unlike Pakjabis. Our vets say the same

 

[safriz]

Previously it was more open due to strong US support and the whole Afghan Jihad saga. Now after 9/11 its more localized and kept away from public view.

Yup that's a major reason. Plus India successfully bought Nawaz Sharif and Benazir.
That's even bigger reason.

Benazir gave India all the details of khalistan fighters , based on which golden temple massacre happened.
Nawaz sharif shut down all the Kashmiri training under Pakistan army .

Yeah yeah right , u aren't training them. Your PM is lying and UN is a fool then.
There's a difference , 90s had Afghan Taliban which made a difference and not training. Afghans are formidable fighters unlike Pakjabis. Our vets say the same

I have no idea what you are on about. Seriously.

 

[AbRaj]

Yup that's a major reason. Plus India successfully bought Nawaz Sharif and Benazir.
That's even bigger reason.

Benazir gave India all the details of khalistan fighters , based on which golden temple massacre happened.
Nawaz sharif shut down all the Kashmiri training under Pakistan army .

I have no idea what you are on about. Seriously.

I don’t know much about Benazir so cant comment. But Nawaz sharif ? Come on, don’t give credit to someone who doesn’t deserve it. All matters related to India and Afghanistan is handled by Pindi boys. Nawaz cant even shit peacefully if military doesn’t want to.
It was actually Musharraf.

 

[safriz]

I don’t know much about Benazir so cant comment. But Nawaz sharif ? Come on, don’t give credit to someone who doesn’t deserve it. All matters related to India and Afghanistan is handled by Pindi boys. Nawaz cant even shit peacefully if military doesn’t want to.
It was actually Musharraf.

Musharraf as a ruler had too much on his plate and Kashmiri freedom fighter training was way down in his list.
When he was COAS, the training was going on. But when he was in government, it had already stopped under Nawaz Sharif rule.
However.
Unlike popular belief the pindi boys do listen to the government .

 

[Chain Smoker]

Musharraf as a ruler had too much on his plate and Kashmiri freedom fighter training was way down in his list.
When he was COAS, the training was going on. But when he was in government, it had already stopped under Nawaz Sharif rule.
However.
Unlike popular belief the pindi boys do listen to the government .

if terrorist training is stopped then who are living in launch pads and who are infiltrating our border? btw it's nice to see that u r getting karma in balochistan and waziristan.

 

[AbRaj]

Musharraf as a ruler had too much on his plate and Kashmiri freedom fighter training was way down in his list.
When he was COAS, the training was going on. But when he was in government, it had already stopped under Nawaz Sharif rule.
However.
Unlike popular belief the pindi boys do listen to the government .

True. He was too occupied to maintain worsening Pak-US relations. At the same time once allies Taliban turned hostile against him due his proUS stance. At the same time Nawaz was fighting to re-enter the politics.

 

[AbRaj]

if terrorist training is stopped then who are living in launch pads and who are infiltrating our border? btw it's nice to see that u r getting karma in balochistan and waziristan.

Launch pads are not what you think they are. They can be anything that shelters infiltrators before their transportation is being facilitated. It can be Pak army forward post or can be any civilian house.
That’s why many pakistani die regularly due to targeted border shelling

 

[safriz]

if terrorist training is stopped then who are living in launch pads and who are infiltrating our border? btw it's nice to see that u r getting karma in balochistan and waziristan.

Balochistan or Waziristan are not new
Balochistan has serious smuggling problem and they don't want state presence in certain areas, which happen to be their smuggling routes.
We used to have snipers on hill tops back in the 80s, sniping smuggling caravans
Then they retaliated, and were sniped more.
Waziristan has Afghan interference. We even fought a war with Afghanistan due to their interference in our areas and provoking tribes against Pakistan, back in the monarchy days .
So giving India the credit of starting the trouble is wrong.
Intensifying and pumping in money for the Baloch and TTP miscreants was done by India
But then again we are used to having troubles in these areas.

Launch pads are not what you think they are. They can be anything that shelters infiltrators before their transportation is being facilitated. It can be Pak army forward post or can be any civilian house.
That’s why many pakistani die regularly due to targeted border shelling

Now if it is happening, the state or military has no role in this
Kashmiri on Indian side have relatives on our side and mostly it's through these lines if any help goes to Kashmiri freedom fighters.
Now Pakistani support for Kashmiri freedom is more of a lip service, nothing else.
Like I said, ask one of your own veterans. Those trained by Pakistan in the 80s and 90s were different creed .
These jeans wearing Maruti riders are nothing like them and clearly untrained.

 

[AbRaj]

Balochistan or Waziristan are not new
Balochistan has serious smuggling problem and they don't want state presence in certain areas, which happen to be their smuggling routes.
We used to have snipers on hill tops back in the 80s, sniping smuggling caravans
Then they retaliated, and were sniped more.
Waziristan has Afghan interference. We even fought a war with Afghanistan due to their interference in our areas and provoking tribes against Pakistan, back in the monarchy days .
So giving India the credit of starting the trouble is wrong.
Intensifying and pumping in money for the Baloch and TTP miscreants was done by India
But then again we are used to having troubles in these areas.

Now if it is happening, the state or military has no role in this
Kashmiri on Indian side have relatives on our side and mostly it's through these lines if any help goes to Kashmiri freedom fighters.
Now Pakistani support for Kashmiri freedom is more of a lip service, nothing else.
Like I said, ask one of your own veterans. Those trained by Pakistan in the 80s and 90s were different creed .
These jeans wearing Maruti riders are nothing like them and clearly untrained.

Its not mearly the lip service. Security frequently gun down non Kashmiris , mostly punjabis. Its only Mujahideen from AFG that we don’t see now in Kashmir.

 

[safriz]

Its not mearly the lip service. Security frequently gun down non Kashmiris , mostly punjabis. Its only Mujahideen from AFG that we don’t see now in Kashmir.

Punjabi?
How do you ascertain their ethnicity after being gunned down?
Also Kashmiri language in our side of Kashmir is similar to Punjabi.
Plus getting gunned down so easily and regularly shows they are amateurs and untrained.

 

[AbRaj]

Punjabi?
How do you ascertain their ethnicity after being gunned down?
Also Kashmiri language in our side of Kashmir is similar to Punjabi.
Plus getting gunned down so easily and regularly shows they are amateurs and untrained.

NADRA data helps. Some times they get caught alive( yes mostly amatures).
But few well trained too.with spec op grade gadgets like US made M4, NVDs, BPJs,Satcoms etc.

 

[safriz]

NADRA data helps. Some times they get caught alive( yes mostly amatures).
But few well trained too.with spec op grade gadgets like US made M4, NVDs, BPJs,Satcoms etc.

Rubbish.
Don't think so. Your being told lies.
US made night vision goggles are a strictly controlled equipment.
USA regularly checks where they being used and no chance of those being given to Kashmiri fighters.
Who told you that?

 

[jetray]

Punjabi?
How do you ascertain their ethnicity after being gunned down?
Also Kashmiri language in our side of Kashmir is similar to Punjabi.
Plus getting gunned down so easily and regularly shows they are amateurs and untrained.

what you say might be partly true, but compared to 90's when India was caught unaware and prepared. Things are totally different now after 2 decades of experience, military fine tuned its tactics , border got fenced which helped a bit. We have more or less evolved to provide a better co-ordinated response to terrorists.

Post 9/11 terrorist training has more or less gone underground and to add to that a stronger response by Indian forces on the ground has made mass infiltration hard. As such the scenario has now moved to bomb blasts & intimidation while having a few idiots dying every now and then. All those IED's and car bomb expertise is obviously provide by terrorists trained in pakistan.

I agree with you on balochistan & waziristan India does not have much effect, few ppl just bable non-sense and try to show that India can replicate pakistan. Balochistan has problem since Independence and waziristan was always a lawless region. India at the best might provide some token support like showing few banners here & there. Balochistan claims area that is also on iran & afghanistan as such it is a total non starter.

 

[AbRaj]

Rubbish.
Don't think so. Your being told lies.
US made night vision goggles are a strictly controlled equipment.
USA regularly checks where they being used and no chance of those being given to Kashmiri fighters.
Who told you that?

Not kashmiri, but Punjabis coming from your side.

Redirect Notice

Killed Pak terrorists were carrying weapons capable of piercing through bulletproof vehicles - The Statesman

They were also carrying AK47 assault rifles, IEDs, grenades, pistols, satellite phone, wireless communication system, and GPS.

www.google.com

India seeks US help to identify Night Vision Devices recovered from terrorists

Information regarding recoveries was shared by the central security agencies with their US counterparts, who have promised help in the probe.

www.google.com

 

[Sulla84]

These poor angry boys are no match for what it used to be until the 90s

True.. but the reason for these boys' poor performance is trained buddies from Pakistan are lacking in numbers , to provide real time tactical knowledge.. I guess it is a mix of a better counter infiltration grid, and international pressure on Pakistan, which is responsible..

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

It feels like Jihadi industry is just inflating the numbers by picking up every military grade drug addict male, giving him a gun, posing as jihadi to make those ISI clowns happy.

After the break down of jihadi infra (network, training, logistics, infiltration) Pakistan is ok with anything moving to somehow give the impression of movement being alive. We should form a special Police Force unit for these operations, train them for an year and more and take army to borders or cantonments with only RR and SOG at stand by for emergencies.

Let local police and the special unit handle it, this will reduce the friction between locals and army, take away a good propaganda point and local police knows better about locality.

Let it be reduced to law and order problem where petty criminals are trying to disrupt the society than terrorism problem. Once infiltration is stopped, police start taking control this disease will heal.