Kashmir : Counter Terror Operation Updates and Discussions

Never is time a constraint on retaliation. In fact, the best is always later. As the enemy does not expect it and has the guard down.

But with the previous political ownership of the strikes in 2016, the GoI today has boxed itself in. It has to act overtly and take a political ownership of the same in order to avoid paying a cost in elections.

Due to snowed out conditions and launch pads being empty, I do not foresee any land incursion. Covert strike at terror infrastructure in Pakistan can not be publicly owned. The only option that remains is, and here I am speculating, perhaps a stand off strike with Heron TP? This permits Pakistan to say nothing took place thereby easing the pressure on them to launch a war yet allows India to retaliate and take political ownership

Let us see what transpires

Do both; big loud strikes now, and when the weather is right - pounce on territory.

India needs to start viewing Pakistan from a 24/7 proactive conflict lens rather than a defensive conflict to occasionally manage during flareups.
 
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We could literally throw an Isro slv over their heads from abdul kalam island and say sorry the test went wrong and the kill switch maulfunctioned. Infact we should warn them minutes before also. No one can blame us for that, russian rocket carrying Americans blew up mid flight, how reliable can Indian rockets he after all. Ok im over thinking 🤔
There are many many many ways. People in force are better thinkers than I am. You don't need to hit at their terrorist training centres etc. They will be recreated. You don't need to hit their civilians, they are powerless. You don't need to hit their politicians, they are puppet. You don't even need to block their water. You only need to hit their forces and its leadership where it hurts. Simple. Rest is implementation details.
 
You want to hurt their rulers physically and badly. War is not only way.
Instead of trying to hit them in pakistan we should go after them outside the country. Military generals would have business & property overseas which are easy pickings for sabotage.
 
Instead of trying to hit them in pakistan we should go after them outside the country. Military generals would have business & property overseas which are easy pickings for sabotage.


Bad idea. Reciprocation will take place

I love traveling. Why do you want to stop me?
 
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Instead of trying to hit them in pakistan we should go after them outside the country. Military generals would have business & property overseas which are easy pickings for sabotage.
No, it will be better to hit them in Pakistan.
Why?
1. It will be a clear message, why they were hit and who was behind it. We should simply deny.
2. It will not cause complication with our relationships with others.
3. The density of Pakistani Force's near and dear ones in Pakistan is much more.
4. Collateral Damage will also be Pakistani and not foreign.
 
Let me go out on a limb.

Without revealing true suspicion based on info I have as of late last night. Covert yet very significant act by India. And @Shajida Khan 's idea being put forth - Pakistan will be forced to decide whether they want war or not.
As long as we do something unorthodox and say sorry im all in.
 
Cheers and have a great day.

We need to get our act together and get the present dispensation back in. Guys do your bit.

In the meanwhile, I will now log off till Tuesday. Lest I speculate too much ;)
 
Let me go out on a limb.

Without revealing true suspicion based on info I have as of late last night. Covert yet very significant act by India. And @Shajida Khan 's idea being put forth - Pakistan will be forced to decide whether they want war or not.
No need to tell us.

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Cheers and have a great day.

We need to get our act together and get the present dispensation back in. Guys do your bit.

In the meanwhile, I will now log off till Tuesday. Lest I speculate too much ;)
Wait one last question. Will the common man ever get to know about it?
 
That shall be slightly difficult at this time of the year.

Agree and not asking for such action at this moment either. Such actions would be ill-advised to happen as a knee-jerk retaliation, it has to happen when and where we want it to. Said as much in my post as well - that such action will have to follow years of planning.

As of retaliation for this incident, it's unlikely to be anything but another SF raid (which will be publicized, as we know that non-publicized SF ops happen all the time), that too, won't be immediate (as again the enemy will be expecting it).

Perhaps this time we should escalate a bit...combine the SF action with more kamikaze drone strikes, and perhaps few LGBs dropped inside PoK.
 
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Let me go out on a limb.

Without revealing true suspicion based on info I have as of late last night. Covert yet very significant act by India. And @Shajida Khan 's idea being put forth - Pakistan will be forced to decide whether they want war or not.

The response should be Overt and forceful. Covert operations are sign of weakness.
 
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The response should be Overt and forceful. Covert operations are sign of weakness.
Let me put it in this way. If a stone is hurting you in your shoe, you take the stone out. You don't go and break the mountain.

Lastly, when you burn someone, they will yell all over the world. To advertise is not your headache, the burnt party will ensure that whole of the world will know. Though you need to ensure if Munir is pinching you, you don't burn Imran. You need to burn Munir and he will ensure he and Imran will let entire world know about it.
 
No, it will be better to hit them in Pakistan.
Why?
1. It will be a clear message, why they were hit and who was behind it. We should simply deny.
2. It will not cause complication with our relationships with others.
3. The density of Pakistani Force's near and dear ones in Pakistan is much more.
4. Collateral Damage will also be Pakistani and not foreign.
Hitting them inside Pakistan will be bit tough and again they can go after our assets on the ground. More than physical damage we need to put the morbid fear of death and loss of wealth. If we go after their wealth overseas then the generals will fall in line. They will be forced to behave in a nice manner. If it happens inside Pakistan they will create a hue & cry and then they will also respond with terrorists. The cycle will continue.

By the way we can expect some support from Israel or friendly agencies.
 
Hitting them inside Pakistan will be bit tough and again they can go after our assets on the ground. More than physical damage we need to put the morbid fear of death and loss of wealth. If we go after their wealth overseas then the generals will fall in line. They will be forced to behave in a nice manner. If it happens inside Pakistan they will create a hue & cry and then they will also respond with terrorists. The cycle will continue.

By the way we can expect some support from Israel or friendly agencies.
Who says you need assets on ground? If you are hitting them inside pakistan it need not be 'surgical'. It need to be sharp enough that enemy known that we went for the knee and not the hip. But if we cut the toe in process why do you care?

There are many ways to deliver an impulse of few mega newtons in an area of few hundred meters square. You don't need someone to lug materials. There are surely many other ways. One way I can think is to use multi barell rockets. And then deny that rockets were even fired from your territory. I am sure forces know many other ways.

Also, priority in life.
1. Life
2. Limbs
3. Whatever

Lastly, ask our resident former service folks. What an army fears the most. I believe it is mutiny of its own personnels. You go after homes of their rank and file, they worry if they start a war what will happen next.
 
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