Kashmir : Counter Terror Operation Updates and Discussions
- Thread starter Seiko
- Start date
-
- Tags
- indian defence forum
These people get played by the hands of Pakistani governments and Indian govrnment is also so sissy. They should avoid getting brainwashed. The bigger players who are responsible do conferences in deluxe and 5 star hotels in London and Tokyo while the innocents get the wrath of these proxy wars.
Another is the political angle of this. Whenever there is some election coming in both countries, these proxies get activated either to support the government in neighboring countries or make them look helpless.
BC, your education budget is so poor, your preventive health budget is so f*cking less, go outside metropolitants and see the condition of government offices in state. Terrific!!
And here we are talking about strategic goals. My Foot!!
Educate yourself!
Another is the political angle of this. Whenever there is some election coming in both countries, these proxies get activated either to support the government in neighboring countries or make them look helpless.
BC, your education budget is so poor, your preventive health budget is so f*cking less, go outside metropolitants and see the condition of government offices in state. Terrific!!
And here we are talking about strategic goals. My Foot!!
Educate yourself!
At some point in life he actually believed it. Ended up being brainwashed and shot dead. Got his realization little bit too late.
This should worry us, he was no ordinary scholar living on govt aid and feasting on subsidies like JNU failures. He was JRF and a very bright person, no stupid womanizer jihadi can brainwash such a person.
I never regret Pakistani proxies getting killed in encounter but he was not a Pakistani proxy but a human resource for us, India, what made him turn against us must be dwelled upon otherwise the controlled chaos game that is going on in Kashmir will get out of control. This is very regrettable and govt must inquire what exactly happened. We can't afford sane voices becoming jihadi, it will weaken our authority very deeply and strengthen jihadi feelings and sense of victimization.
Successful people must be celebrated so that youth find some hope, some inspiration, so that they can differentiate between jihadi brainwash sermons and living real life successful examples. Last thing we want is local role models becoming jihadis.
This will have deep impact, we must not let this go out of hand.
Sir you shared same feelings for your former commander in chief APJ Abdul Kalam?
rediff.com: Saisuresh Sivaswamy on Kalam, Islam and Dr Rafiq Zakaria
Here's what an eminent Muslim scholar thought about our ex Prez.
You read that article?
Its a joke, also how does it matter if a religious fanatic denounce others for not being conservative enough? We have plenty of such clowns even in Hindus. Sorry i don't see the relevance of it to my comment.
He's not a religious fanatic but a widely respected "moderate " Muslim scholar father to Fareed Zakaria of CNN fame.
The Late and highly respected ex President of India, to whom I had the honor of being his Liaison Officer and also his security officer when he visited Mumbai in 1995, was a scholar in Vedas. Please keep him out of such discussions.
Well his views in this particular context are similar to religious fanatic, and also most religious fanatics are widely respected that's the irony. Its their extremism that makes them authority and respectful if they lose it they wont be respected that much.
Mulims didnt consider him muslim enough.
That's the larger point @vstol Jockey was making . I merely cited a reference in his support to a point of contention you raised . Unfortunately , a Brahmin today will not be looked down upon were he to indulge in eating meat or tobacco consumption or even alcohol consumption , merely castigated . That's how much Sanatan Dharma has evolved . I'm generalising here . It doesn't mean every Brahmin would be pardoned such indulgences .
But , a Muslim neglecting his fundamentals duties that characterise him to be one of the faithful is never looked upon with kindness or forgiveness merely contempt bordering on murderous contempt depending on which society or mileu the said Muslim is a part of . In India , he was merely looked upon as someone who only had a Muslim name by Muslims . What do you think would have happened to him were he a Pakistani ? The example of their only Nobel Laureate Abdus Salaam should be testament to their views on a particular set of Muslims.
He would have been respected even in Pakistan. Abdus Salam is a different case, Ahmadis are not considered Muslims in Pakistan this is not the case with Dr. Abdul Kamal or any Muslim in India.
Almost 90% maybe more Muslims don't worship 5 times a day, calling Dr Abdul Kalam on it is ludicrous and contains no merit.
Really! That's a news to me, how did you arrive to that conclusion? So far I have not met a single Muslim that lacks respect for him. If there one or two people here and there you found they don't speak for whole Muslim community.
You people are defending something that can't be defended by twisting the logic, you don't need to do that. Vstol generalized something about every Muslim without thinking too much, the best thing is to rectify it and move on instead of applying new new logic to justify it.
I understand bashing something we don't like feels so good but it should be done on reality and not on made up notions.
If the sole purpose is to win the argument than we are wasting time here at least I am.
It's Political Islam which has turned him away from us. Here's another example of Educated Youth from Kashmir - Government Employee:
I'd respond this one last time so as not to derail the discussion thru a digression .
The Ahmediyya were always considered not part of the mainstream Muslim community since their formation. However , they were at the forefront of the Pakistan movement . Their moment of truth arrived in 1953 where after the Anti Ahmeddiya riots in what was then West Pakistan , they were eventually declared to be non Muslims by the Zia regime in the mid 80's.
The situation as of today is that every elected official has to swear by the Khatm e Nabuwwat clause I.e sworn declaration on the finality that the Prophet Mohammed was the last Prophet .
How can you even suggest that an APJ Abdul Kalam who rarely if ever offered namaz , never paid zakat or observed Ramzan or even made the Haj ( precisely the points that the article I've posted declares ) - all central tenets of Islam be even considered for such a post . Why , someone as devout as Abdus Salaam who observed all these rituals eventually had his gravestone defaced only coz he was an Ahmeddiya.
The only exception to this was Jinnah. Incidentally , there's an active lobby out there which seeks to revise history by altering his roots ( he's a Nizari Ismaili - a sect of a sect if a sect ( Shia )) by stressing his Sunni origins . He was a non observant Muslim too but identified himself as culturally a Muslim . I don't need to add the role be played in getting the Muslims of SA their homeland which is why he's still revered there .
I've answered this above . Not offering the occasional namaz and not offering it at all are two different things .
Please disclose this to your Muslim friends & acquaintances and check for yourself how many are aware of these facts .You'd be met with denial or on verification , the disclosure that he's not a Muslim.
You'd be able to count the no of Muslims to whom this disclosure doesn't diminish in any way his achievements , on your fingers. This has more to do with the illiberalism pervading the Islamic world - their conditioning on account of this all pervading illiberalism bordering on fanaticism and colouring their thoughts more than anything else .
Last edited:
Now there will be serious conflict among Kashmiris and intelligence agencies can use it to their advantage. If tourism is affected, half the Kashmir population will turn to begging. The stone pelters should know where to draw the line!!
4 LeT militants & 09 persons including several (OGWs) of militants wr arrested frm North #Kashmir, all th arrested R involved in killings of civilians & othr militancy activities in #Baramulla & othr areas, arms & ammunition also recovered