LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions

I'm confused a bit doesn't the LCA have a small rcs compared to most fighters. Going by the construction of LCA with 70% composites people are claiming <1m2 rcs. Mate it with an el 8222 and it could pretty easily come close enough to wvr ranges of the f16 without being detected. And considering the tejas mk1a will have aesa wouldn't it detect the f16 first. The blk 52 have pesa plus LCA has an aesa and low rcs so it could easily be a tough competitor to the f16. The only reason IAF is not lining up for ordering tejas is because they want the 114 rafale/typhoon/f15 and saving money for that. The only major problem would be if the Pakistanis manage to get apg 80 upgrade sometime in the future. Which could make the leftover f16 extremely deadly in the future.
When it comes to amraam 120 . It needs to detect the tejas first . And the apg 68 has 105 km for 5m2 detection so the tejas could well be inside with its derby. It's wvr where it could actually lose to f 16 considering Pakistanis are very much experienced in using their aircraft.

Having AESA doesn't mean it will detect first. It depends on the range. Long range big PESA radars can detect fighters equipped with AESA first. Having AESA makes it tough to jam them.
 
Yes it can, both transmit and receive functions are software controlled (Specifically transmit and receive functions through SDR). If it was an AESA radar it would say so, K77M does so does AAM4, it's their claim to fame.

The Israelis abhor to publicly advertise too much, for whatever reason. Like not many know that Barak's later cousins have AESA seeker as well. And very few know that the 2084 and MF-STAR have GaN.

You can't control "every" functionality without AESA anyway, which is why it's not "mechanical".

Anyway we can simply wait for time to answer it.


That's far too old. I remember reading it back in the mid 2000s. 3-10kVA is simply to show that it's scalable. If the same radar is made available to the MKI, then the power output will easily climb to 20KW.

The fact is the operational version radar's power output will remain a secret.
 
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Doesn't matter what you stick with.

This report is the latest, Feb this year.
Will be ready with BrahMos-NG when IAF demands it: Dr S K Mishra

He is basically saying IAF is yet to commit to it!. Whatever under pipeline is definitely the land version. There is no precedence of an Indian air-launched weapon going the first test to production under 4 years. Just dream on.

Everything he says in that article is cryptic.

We have developed a SAM in 4 years, from scratch, including based on a whole new missile design and new radars. A modification of an already existing missile is a piece of cake in comparison.

Given that the Brahmos NG will only move ahead if the IAF agrees to it. The development of the Brahmos-1 has also been delayed due to the virus, so it's difficult to say if the IAF will put some things on the backburner, although I hope NG is not one of them. But it still won't change the actual development and field testing time.

Anyway it appears LCA Mk1A will continue its production all the way to 2027 at the very least, so the missile will still see simultaneous production alongside the aircraft.
 
The Israelis abhor to publicly advertise too much, for whatever reason. Like not many know that Barak's later cousins have AESA seeker as well. And very few know that the 2084 and MF-STAR have GaN.
BS, have you met a jewish business man in your life? These are the same guys which call Jericho 941 all-new because they moved the controls from slide to the frame.
 
BS, have you met a jewish business man in your life? These are the same guys which call Jericho 941 all-new because they moved the controls from slide to the frame.
the jewish man and the state of israel are two different beasts.

on a side note, there seems to be a lot of expectation on the AESA radar on the LCA. but without the stores to use that AESA, its not as useful.
The LCA is slow to be produced and slow to expand its envelop. slow to include all the major missiles as well.
AESA is no competitor to the F-16 - with the maintenance/overhaul schedules/procedures so well established on the f-16.

the LCA is good for the desi way of life - just enough to keep us in the game and but not enough to be a world beater. definitely more than enough to beat the one nagging neighbor though.
 
BS, have you met a jewish business man in your life? These are the same guys which call Jericho 941 all-new because they moved the controls from slide to the frame.

But that's how they operate their defence sector. The advertise the hell out of their stuff to people who matter, but don't reveal anything to anone else. It's all on a need to know basis.

Don't confuse products that are dual use or meant for the civilian market the same as defence-only products. Just look up how difficult it is to get details on anything defence related. All they have is some brochures with no actual information (which is why that brochure about the Derby ER was so vague) and some CGI stuff. It's also why you could only brandish a decade+ old brochure about the 2052. The only time we get to know about Israeli products is when their customer's CAG type institutions release reports. Look at the amount of information we actually have on something like the Phalcon, it's completely peanuts.

I believe it's because they want to make their products available to anybody, like even Russia and China, and not restrict themselves to just the countries that America likes. Perhaps even North Korea, when the option becomes available. For example, the Chinese PL-8 is a license production of the Python-3. The Chinese then ripped off the design, called it PL-9 and sold it to Pakistan. So now Pakistan also operates the Python-3. The Russians operate the Searcher drone. I think it's you who does not understand the Jewish businessman.
 
the jewish man and the state of israel are two different beasts.

on a side note, there seems to be a lot of expectation on the AESA radar on the LCA. but without the stores to use that AESA, its not as useful.
The LCA is slow to be produced and slow to expand its envelop. slow to include all the major missiles as well.
AESA is no competitor to the F-16 - with the maintenance/overhaul schedules/procedures so well established on the f-16.

the LCA is good for the desi way of life - just enough to keep us in the game and but not enough to be a world beater. definitely more than enough to beat the one nagging neighbor though.

The idea behind the LCA is to allow it to take off quickly when a threat is detected. This is what the LCA has been designed for. Everything else it does is more of an afterthought.

The F-16 was also designed for the same role. It was later that it got bigger and bulkier and more powerful. The F-16 A/B was only 6.5T as well, the same as LCA Mk1.
 
the jewish man and the state of israel are two different beasts.

on a side note, there seems to be a lot of expectation on the AESA radar on the LCA. but without the stores to use that AESA, its not as useful.
The LCA is slow to be produced and slow to expand its envelop. slow to include all the major missiles as well.
AESA is no competitor to the F-16 - with the maintenance/overhaul schedules/procedures so well established on the f-16.

the LCA is good for the desi way of life - just enough to keep us in the game and but not enough to be a world beater. definitely more than enough to beat the one nagging neighbor though.
We are looking at the wrong neighbor.
 
The idea behind the LCA is to allow it to take off quickly when a threat is detected. This is what the LCA has been designed for. Everything else it does is more of an afterthought.

The F-16 was also designed for the same role. It was later that it got bigger and bulkier and more powerful. The F-16 A/B was only 6.5T as well, the same as LCA Mk1.
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i agree that we are looking at the wrong neighbor, but you need to take care of the lesser evil first
Pakistan is just a Chinese henchman.
JF17's that are fielded today are to keep them afloat, there is no reason that tomorrow china won't flood the donation state with J10's or even stick j20 there needed to keep the IAF engaged. How do you think Pakistan is getting the 5 type 39 subs.

Make no mistake, no matter the which puppet is squeezing the trigger whether state on non-state actor from Pakistan the strings are tied to Chinese.
 
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Pakistan is just a Chinese henchman.
JF17's that are fielded today are to keep them afloat, there is no reason that tomorrow china won't flood the donation state with J10's or even stick j20 there needed to keep the IAF engaged. How do you think Pakistan is getting the 5 type 39 subs.

Make no mistake, no matter the which puppet is squeezing the trigger whether state on non-state actor from Pakistan the strings are tied to Chinese.
yes. I agree with the thought.

but we are in no position to match the chinese in terms of economy, reach, clout, science, technology or manufacturing.
we could take the henchman out of the equation and then the field becomes much more level - but the chinese are un reachable at the moment.

no matter how much you blame the congress govt, the fact still remains - we missed the boat that the chinese, korean have sailed in.
 

The F-16 specs for A/B gave above is for Block 20, not for Block 1/5/10.

F16 - Aggressor
F-16 Block 1/5/10 - Reliability, maintainability, supportability, safety and minor cockpit improvements carried out on F-16 A/B aircraft from 1978 (Block 1), 1979 (Block 5) and 1980 (Block 10). F-16 Block 15 - Introduced on F-16A/B aircraft from 1981. Improvements included increased maximum T-O gross weight from 14,968 to 16,057 kg (33,000 to 35,400 lb), increased maximum weight for 9 g manoeuvres from 10,206 to 11,113 kg (22,500 to 24,500 lb), installation of two inlet hardpoint for sensor pods, strengthened store stations, increased horizontal tails, addition of provisions for six-station advanced Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles, early provision for AIM-7 air-to-air missile, cockpit upgrades, internal ECM upgrades and increased cooling capacity from 7 to 9 kW.

F16 - Aggressor
The empty weight of the Block 10 F-16A is 15,600 pounds.

The LCA specs are wrong.
Leading Particulars & Performance - Specifications | Tejas - India's Light Combat Aircraft

Regardless, the role the F-16 was initially made for was the same as LCA Mk1. It was only from Block 15 onwards that the F-16 only got heavier and more powerful, as indicated by the specs you posted. Now MWF comes up to 8T.
 
We are looking at the wrong neighbor.

The LCAs will most likely be positioned in the same airbases as the ones with Mig-21s. And all of those are alongside Pakistan. 3 squadrons in Rajasthan. 1 in Punjab and 1 in J&K (Srinagar).

So the LCA fleet is Pakistan specific.
 
The LCAs will most likely be positioned in the same airbases as the ones with Mig-21s. And all of those are alongside Pakistan. 3 squadrons in Rajasthan. 1 in Punjab and 1 in J&K (Srinagar).

So the LCA fleet is Pakistan specific.

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1 more in sirsa, haryana. Ankush squadron. In total, 6 squadrons. We have around 110 mig21(s) (fishbed & bison). They'll be replaced by all the mk1 and mk1a aircrafts.
 
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Yep, missed the one at Sirsa. Counted only 5 there.

There are also plans for a new base at Deesa, opposite PAF's Bholari. I'm speculating the upcoming Mig-29 squadron may be placed there, along with the MWF at a later date.
The detachment at Leh is likely to be turned into a full fledged squadron.

Also more aircrafts are needed by Eastern air command, as it has lost 3 Mig27 squadrons.
 
Having AESA doesn't mean it will detect first. It depends on the range. Long range big PESA radars can detect fighters equipped with AESA first. Having AESA makes it tough to jam them.
I understand that but apg 68 and elta 2052 are in similar ranges of detection and the LCA will detect it earlier because compared to LCA the f16 is a fat pig when it comes to rcs. So clearly in a bvr fight the LCA has the logical advantage. And the public figure for rcs of lca is 0.5 m2 so it's comparable to the rafale and typhoon in general performance ofcourse the ew suits are superior on the rafale and typhoon but doesn't change the fact that a 90's f16 wouldn't post much of a problem to us. And if the apg 68 had difficult in detecting the mig 21 with 3m2 rcs just imagine how dangerous will the LCA be if it is used in similar tactics like the mig 21. Plus aesa do have superior detection and targeting to pesa though. It's only the Russian pesa's that support your claim because they are ginormous compared to any other FC radar. Otherwise pesa's in general are not that good compared to aesa in detection, targeting and even range.
 
yes. I agree with the thought.

but we are in no position to match the chinese in terms of economy, reach, clout, science, technology or manufacturing.
we could take the henchman out of the equation and then the field becomes much more level - but the chinese are un reachable at the moment.

no matter how much you blame the congress govt, the fact still remains - we missed the boat that the chinese, korean have sailed in.
And that's because we never allied with the Americans. The nehruvian socialist thought process of anti imperialism and bullshit idealism that has plagued our country for the last 70 years is the reason why we are not a competitive power. The Koreans and Japanese were backed by the Americans and so they could use Americans technology and free market to develop themselves. The Chinese themselves were backed by the Americans and helped industrialising and making it the behemoth that it is. And what did we do for the last 70 years. Whores like Indira Gandhi and that family of buffoons did not bring any industry, we fought wars where would win on the battlefield and lose at the negotiating table. The country is further divided on the basis of caste . The poor are given the socialist goli of fighting the imperialist rich when there are no rich except the socialist leaders themselves. We do not industrialise even though the Chinese clearly understood with uncouth savages like mao leading them that they needed industry while we still were happy driving fiat padminis and shit they were driving Toyota's, Nissan's and what not. India is a mediocre country because we have chosen mediocre people to lead us.