LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions
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P V Nsik said that it should either be Rafale or Gripen. I fully agree with him. However, if there is a budget constrain, give for Mig 35.
Russians don't hold a chance. Let them come up with a AESA which they can deploy on their active duty fleet.
Gripen is a great fighter, but its directly a competitor to any MWF we produce. So not worth it.
Its more Rafales only. How many and when is the question.
Not gonna happen. The French wish this happens, but strategic considerations are much more important.
Mig-35 is a pointless aircraft to us. The F-21 is a better option.
8000 hours. 6000 hours. Unknown, more than 6000 hours at least.
Rafale is the best. Gripen comes with high potency at reasonable price. Mig beats all in price and a great plane in within visual range fight.
When we buy a fighter we need to look at overall costs. Not just up front costs. Costs involving weapons, costs involving man power requirements, costs involving infrastructure, etc.
When we buy a Rafale or say F15SE we will be able to operate it for upto 40 years. With the same tempo the Mig35 will use up its hours in 25-30 years. We need to take into account that too.
A Rafale or a F15SE again will continue to give us very high availability rates of near 80%, plus they are more or less designed to take it. We cannot do the same with Migs for extended period of time.
Then there is RD33 series. The less said the better.
Plus do not compare the costs of a Mig29M branded as Mig35 sold to Egyptians. They lack most of the Mig35 features. That will also add to the costs of procurement.
Another aspect is the upgrades over the lifetime. French will continue to use the Rafales for a long time so upgrades are guaranteed, Germans will keep using the Eurofighter for long, that too will keep getting updates.
Its not the case with Mig29/35. Su30SM aircrafts are actually replacing Mig29 units in Russian Airforce now. Russians have confirmed orders of 6 Mig35 aircrafts. And proposal for another 18 aircrafts. There's no guarantee that Russians will themselves be using the type 15 years down the line. That will be a problem for us.
The other Russian option. Su35. Its operational costs are more than twice compared to Su30MKI, and for that simple reason it won't make the cut.
Yes , that is life cycle cost. To work out this, all future expenses are discounted at the cost of capital and added to acquisitions cost. If the availability of planes are low, you need to buy more planes. So calculation is a bit complex but I can calculate it if all DATA are available. Gripen has very low operating cost and hence life cycle cost.if we buy Gripen, we shall be able to operate it at one third to one fourth of operating cost compared to ant other twine engine fighter.
Gripen is actually very good option. The only reason i am against it is it will directly cut into our MWF future orders and any potential follow on orders for MK1A.
My view on what India need to do. since economy has tanked and budget is scarce. Cancel Tejas order and instead order 54 Rafale + 54 or 36 F -15 EX + 126 MWF or F - 21. Upgrade SU 30 close to levels of F 15EX and done with it. For future concentrate resources on AMCA.
Wow, you mention there is no budget and then are of the opinion to buy 54 Rafale or F15 whatever and so forth. The only fact is that Tejas is only viable option for us. AMCA is still not off the design board and you want to put all your eggs into it. Thank god our planners have better sense.
He's deactivated his account. So says Ameit Kashyap.Apparently, got tired of answering stupid questions.I hope it wasn't you.
The most informed person who had spoken up regarding this contract was HVT. He has deactivated his account now. He told us the realistic time-frame way back in january itself and I had posted the same. He clearly said 4 to 5 months of work was left in for the contract to be signed. This gives us the most optimistic date of somewhere between may and june. Optimists here and else where were jumping up and down thinking it would be signed in Defexpo. It may be delayed even more now seeing how covid19 is screwing up the economy.
Also, people should look at the timelines he gave for mk1a, mk2 & AMCA. He might be the correct in his estimates after all.
A contract wont speed up the MK1A. Its now just a formality. Even with a contract MoD is not going to pay HAL on time.
It is just a mere formality now. MK1A is coming for sure, but nothing else is confirmed.
Nope, I would argue against that. I know what you are thinking but thats not how it works.