LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions

Not just RWR but also a Elta SPJ 8222 Wide Band

Without SPJ it is a sitting duck for All
Radar Guided Missiles.


I dont think IAF has.to learn Air Combat from Civilians

A FOC plane has to engage in Air to Air combat , that is the bottom line
Chaff are the countermeasure of radar guided missile.
While flares for Heat seeking/ir guided missiles

Also you can use towed decoys.
 
Chaff are the countermeasure of radar guided missile.
While flares for Heat seeking/ir guided missiles

Also you can use towed decoys.
Yes Tejas will also carry 1MW laser in future for self defense along will all those things.
 
Mk-1a onwards, they'd be equipped with SPJ. It's the fact that Mk-1a isn't equipped with RWR & MAWS which is troubling. Since the Mk-1a lacks internal space, they'd have to be pod mounted like the SPJ except there's no confirmation on it. I wonder if the SPJ, MAWS, RWR, Laser warning system etc would be part of upgrades for the Mk -1 though

40 Brand New MK 1 aircraft will become useless if we dont put.a SPJ

The first prototype of Mk 1A has not yet been completed

These 40 will be used for CAPS like MIG 21 .are.used now

And PAF will use Long Range PL 15.to.target them -- that too in a Salvo Mode
 
40 Brand New MK 1 aircraft will become useless if we dont put.a SPJ

The first prototype of Mk 1A has not yet been completed

These 40 will be used for CAPS like MIG 21 .are.used now

And PAF will use Long Range PL 15.to.target them -- that too in a Salvo Mode
While what you're saying is well accepted, there seems to be no plan or any report confirming this development. It can only mean that they'd be flying in tandem with the Mirages &/or Sukhois for protection during CAP duties for now .

I think we'd see the Mk-1 fitted with SPJ along with the MAWS & Laser warning, given that members here confirm it's equipped with RWRs once we have two squadrons of the Mk-1a activated, which means a good 5-6 years from today.

Eventually, these planes would serve the purpose of LIFT's in the IAF. This would be around 10-15 years from today.
 
While what you're saying is well accepted, there seems to be no plan or any report confirming this development. It can only mean that they'd be flying in tandem with the Mirages &/or Sukhois for protection during CAP duties for now .

I think we'd see the Mk-1 fitted with SPJ along with the MAWS & Laser warning, given that members here confirm it's equipped with RWRs once we have two squadrons of the Mk-1a activated, which means a good 5-6 years from today.

Eventually, these planes would serve the purpose of LIFT's in the IAF. This would be around 10-15 years from today.

CAPs are the most important function if you want to avoid embarrassment like Feb 27

And CAPs too will be targeted like they did with Su 30 with Amraam C 5

Pl 15 is a low cost missile

They have 100 JF 17s

If a JF 17 manages to shoot down a Tejas just because it did not have an SPJ

We will loose the psychological war before the actual war
 
CAPs are the most important function if you want to avoid embarrassment like Feb 27

And CAPs too will be targeted like they did with Su 30 with Amraam C 5

Pl 15 is a low cost missile

They have 100 JF 17s

If a JF 17 manages to shoot down a Tejas just because it did not have an SPJ

We will loose the psychological war before the actual war
Well, that's why I stated they'd be coupled with the Sukhois or Mirages. If in spite of that or otherwise they are engaged & brought down it's our misfortune. What else can one say? That's how the system here functions be it IAF, ADA, HAL or MoD.
 
Yes Tejas will also carry 1MW laser in future for self defense along will all those things.
Who cares about gimmicks like Laser.Its useless anyway as we sure gonna buy 250 gm F22 anyway.
We have lot of other Cheaper options (like Tempest from UK, FCAS from EU, F35 from US etc etc)to make a formidable salad airforce. No need to fly costly mig 21 and Lca etc when we can get cheap F22

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40 Brand New MK 1 aircraft will become useless if we dont put.a SPJ

The first prototype of Mk 1A has not yet been completed

These 40 will be used for CAPS like MIG 21 .are.used now

And PAF will use Long Range PL 15.to.target them -- that too in a Salvo Mode

Not really. SPJs are primarily needed in offensive missions, and it doesn't have to be on every single aircraft either.
 
Not really. SPJs are primarily needed in offensive missions, and it doesn't have to be on every single aircraft either.

Sir if a PL 15 or any other Long Range AAM is fired on any aircraft by using
Radar guidance or IRST AND if the Target Aircraft does not have a SPJ

Then , the following points and questions need to be considered

1 How will it defend itself
2 What are the chances of its survival
3 Our Su 30 survived multiple Amraam attacks on Feb 27 mainly
Because of SPJ

4 ) Abhinandan' s MIG 21 did not have SPJ

5 ) His wingman Squadron L eader Vyas , evaded an Amraam because of SPJ 8222
 
Sir if a PL 15 or any other Long Range AAM is fired on any aircraft by using
Radar guidance or IRST AND if the Target Aircraft does not have a SPJ

Then , the following points and questions need to be considered

1 How will it defend itself
2 What are the chances of its survival
3 Our Su 30 survived multiple Amraam attacks on Feb 27 mainly
Because of SPJ

4 ) Abhinandan' s MIG 21 did not have SPJ

5 ) His wingman Squadron L eader Vyas , evaded an Amraam because of SPJ 8222

SPJ is not always powered on during an engagement. And you need to remember that jammers are also a source for detection and for missiles to home in to the jammer using the home-on-jam feature. So jamming is not a panacea. The point behind jamming is to make it difficult to track until you can unload your weapons on your target, which is why it's primarily used against radars rather than seekers.

The idea is simple actually. You need SPJ to protect yourself from enemy radar, but you do not need every single aircraft to carry an SPJ. You can instead use the SPJ on one aircraft to jam multiple enemy aircraft. But when it comes to dealing with missiles like Meteor and PL-15, you will need the decoys I've mentioned above since the time to target once the seeker turns on is just 10 seconds. If you point the jammer at it instead, then, even if you are successful at jamming the seeker, you will only force the seeker to go into passive mode and home in to you anyway.

Against AAMs, fighter jets use chaff and flares. And now, even pocket decoys and towed decoys are carried by aircraft so the missile homes in to the decoy instead of the aircraft.



Would recommend watching these two videos.


Rafale will carry the LEA in the near future.

IAF Rafales specifically will also come with Israeli X-Guard towed decoys.
(Might need VPN for this link. I use Opera's inbuilt VPN.)

So this is how the future of avoiding AAMs will look like for quite sometime. Then, at some point, they will bring in dual seeker missiles, with RF and IIR seekers, to tell the difference between such decoys and the aircraft.

LCA will have to get similar upgrades to stay relevant.

Btw, even the Mk1s can be equipped with SPJ, the same as the ones on LCA Mk1A. It's just not such a high priority right now.
 
LCA mk2 will be able to take on Gripen E with regards to specifications and will be ahead of F-16 block 60/70.
On paper maybe.
F35 on paper was to be able to supercruise, to be agile as F16, to be very affordable, to be FOC in 2012. But the reality is different.
We may speak of the real perf of Tejas Mk2 when it will be flying. Gripen E is not FOC yet, and only the F16 bk60 is a reality in the 3.
 
Do we ?
I mean do we have dedicated Jammers ?

For fighter jets, it's difficult to say due to the secrecy involved. The options are the Russian SAP-14 for low and mid band jamming. Also the Israeli EL/L-8251. There are pics of the MKI available with the SAP-14.

Overall, the secrecy involved is far too much to say anything specifically.
 
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Do we ?
I mean do we have dedicated Jammers ?

Yes we use them specifically the Israeli Elta EL/L-8222 , it is qualified on most aircraft types. Now being upgraded to Elta EL/L-8222WB

It was tested on LCA too

Other jammers in inventory are SAP 14 & 518 , remora , caiman and a few others


3 types of jammers are currently under development by drdo
 
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