Due to the fact that it is a home grown solution, IAF is doing everything they can to make the Tejas Mk1A & Mk2 a pilot's delight and that of the maintenance crew. Over a period of time, IAF may very well use the Tejas Mk1A as a multi-role aircraft and not just in Point defense. One thing is for sure, that there will be delays in delivery. India and HAL is still trying to become a big player in the aerospace segment. By the end of this decade, India will have all the capabilities to design and develop Fighter aircrafts of all types but for a jet engine. There is no other way to bridge the multiple decades of gap / lack of experience in this industry. ADA, DRDO & HAL will make mistakes, learn from it and deliver the final product. Similar to the helicopter segment, HAL is surely coming of age with Tejas and its various iterations. We just have to expect delays and live with it for few more years. Indian government is going to pinch pennies and delay their decisions due to the economic situation and other priorities (virus and vaccination).
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Thank you Mr Cohen for reminding us again that PAF unlike its adversary, is competent enough to utilise their resources properly at the time of hostility.
Ironic that it was this “superior IAF” which had the advantage of striking first and therefore was in position to decide the outcome of that conflict at that point. But then again IAF did exactly what it is known for
And as Lord hath spoketh that everything PAF has,will/should/would fail but in near past its always the “superior IAF” who kissed the ground first be it 65,71,1999 or 2019. Its IAF’s Nachiketas and Abhinandans who were shot down by enemy and sometime by our own Idiocy.
Anyway kudos to your ability to make sand castles.
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Sir , I am not saying that Mig 21s should be continued
If we had more money , we would have done so by now
How ever there is No point in crying all the time
Hay @Milspec can I ask you why the HAL is so obsessed with ceremonies ?
Can any one see any sense behind ceremonies like handing over landing gear, procuring ball bearings, handing over display units, handing over tyres and tubes etc etc ?
I bet half of the HAL staff are spending their major chunk of duty hours in planning and organising such useless and cringeworthy show ops.
Can any one see any sense behind ceremonies like handing over landing gear, procuring ball bearings, handing over display units, handing over tyres and tubes etc etc ?
I bet half of the HAL staff are spending their major chunk of duty hours in planning and organising such useless and cringeworthy show ops.
Fine. Then Teach me how to brag about having Mig 21 Bisons and Reindeers
We all want the best of equipment for our Armed forces. This is not the time of USSR when India used to buy weapons on a barter system. Those days are gone and now we need to shell out top dollars for the best of the equipment. Comparing us with Pakistan is like comparing chalk and cheese. Pakistan has either diverted funds away from its own citizens to arm itself or was dependent on freebies from the US for this arms, to defeat the Kafir's on its east. Look at that country's economy now in shambles and its PM looking for loans from anyone and everyone who can lend. You don't want to end up in such a situation. Yes, China is already knocking our doors across the Northern and Eastern border. But the deterrence that India has will stop China on its track, unless Mr. Ping Pong musters some courage to attack us.
My take is that, there are enough weapons to defend us but we definitely don't have enough to mount an offensive against China. Every fauji you talk to or hear will talk about giving China a bloody nose and no one will talk about defeating China. Our doctrine against China has always been to defend and that can be understood by the number of Strike Corps we had against China. A big fat Zero. All 3 of our Strike corps are against Pakistan and just this month we are talking about moving 1 Corps towards China. So neither China nor India wants a war but China is not going to move back and even if it does later this year, it will come back and surprise us again later.
Our forces have grown to live and fight with what they have been given. I am not advocating we should continue that way. But given the circumstances, I don't see how this will change in this decade. We need our economy to grow at 8% - 9% every year and our domestic defense industry flourish. That is the only way, we can spend 3% - 4% of our GDP on defense and be ready for an offensive against China. That said, my 2 cents is that India should reduce the size of its Army's during this decade and focus more on its Navy & Air Force.
If a Two Front war breaks out Today
These good old MiG 21s will save our "Rear " on the Western Front
While Su 30 and MiG 29 take on the PLAAF
No problem mate. Its just that I’m sick of this relentless idiotic bragging. So sometimes tend to do episodic rantings
Do you even know that Mig21 bison upgrades are much more potent than JF-17 bunders...
Gosh they even brought down the mighty F16 much to the embarrassment of Lockheed Martin....
Do you even know that Mig21 bison upgrades are much more potent than JF-17 bunders...
Gosh they even brought down the mighty F16 much to the embarrassment of Lockheed Martin....
Now The Rules of engagement have changed with PAF
We can even use R 77 from MIG 21
Whenever there is a threat Or an opportunity
We used MiG 21 as a part of Mixed Fighter force against USAF in Cope India exercises along with Su 30
We can do it again
Air combat is About Using All your Assets in the Best possible way
Enough With The Indian Mig-21 Bison Versus Pakistani F-16 Viper Bullshit
The amount of garbage commentary and skewed analysis on the whole shoot down has been unbelievable. Here's the reality, like it or not.
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An inspiration for all braggarts across forums. A role modelDo you even know that Mig21 bison upgrades are much more potent than JF-17 bunders...
Gosh they even brought down the mighty F16 much to the embarrassment of Lockheed Martin....
@Lolwa seekho inse kuch
I do know that Mig21s and even jaguars are outdated and not suitable for modern warfare and should be replaced. But western 4.5/5th generation fighters are way to expensive for us to replace 1 on 1 so the best option is to upgrade and use older fighters against Pakistan which doesn't have fighters which can even challenge our old upgraded fighters, in the meanwhile develop our own modern fighters which will be lower in cost of procurement and lower in cost of maintenance due to labor cost and can be purchased with our own currency and save precious Forex too which is what we are now doing. All our programs like LCA MK1A, MK2, TEDBF AMCA will start fructifying after 2025-30. We can hold on till then easily as by then we will be getting 12 su30mki, 36to72 Rafales, 21 mig29 and 40 LCA MK1, all before 2025 which is good enough numbers and later 83 LCA MK1A and more than 200 LCA MK2 will follow.
LOL,
a very poignant observation, maybe they have very little to celebrate....
Yeah, these people even brag that indian bicycle is better than jf17. Sadly such peoples are more in our country. These people are the real threat to our national security, they will advertise a false secure feeling among indians ans sabotage all necessary purchases.
Well he's not wrong when he's saying the mig 21 bison is superior to the jf 17. Jf 17 offensive capabilities are just slightly inferior to the bison. After the pl15 is integrated (if at all possible) things change drastically. For now the bison is superior to the jf 17 when it comes to tasks like interception the jf 17 is a superior design but it's junk equivalent due to it's avionics. The f-7 pg are even more worse even though the base design is superior to the mig 21..
It's the difference between Glass being half full and half empty. And being Optimistic Vs Pessimistic. As much as we can argue about the difference between the equipment available between the two countries, there is a marked difference between the men / women behind the machines and their training. I guess, if you were to argue even there, I don't have anything further to say in this regard.
I am being realistic, thats why put less faith on our indigenous aeronautical field. Do u know ine thing, when i first yeard about Avatar, our hypersonic vehicle in 97 or 98 we were bragging about it alot. Though only very few reporters used to report about it, all of them used to said we are on par with USA & Russia and we were even ahead of china. But now you look where we are and Where is usa, china & Russia.
Similar things happens during Tejas first flight too, those who trust Tejas more than f16 & those who undermine or ridiculing jf17 all are ate so kuch propoganda from our own defense reporters.
I dont see much difference between madrasa brainwashed irregular forces or these brainwashed fan boys, earlier one fights our forces with weapons later one fights our forces with blind belief on failed indian products like LCA or Arjun.
A well trained swordsman bound to loose against an ill trained riflemen. Our limited vintage mig21s piloted by well trained pilots will not survive against PAF with jf17( that too with numerical superiority )
And you are? An intellectual who is perpetually pessimistic
?? For me Tejas is like a toddler who is trying to walk. I know the toddler is going to fall every now and then but am sure he/she will start running soon. This is no one brainwashing anyone here but those who are a bit more optimistic. How much ever I were to bitch about it, the toddler is going to walk when he / she can and not when I want. That is the difference.No toddler will go to battle field, especially a country like india who surrounded by enemies.And you are? An intellectual who is perpetually pessimistic
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