LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions

Speedster1 said:
Baba Kalyani who has said on record said the 7 year procurement cycle is unsustainable for pvt sector players
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randomradio said:
As for the small procurement cycle, that's only because orders are small today, that will change with indigenous systems
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He was talking A 7 year time gap between RfP, trials, commercial bidding, multiple approvals,etc in the context of the IAs artillery acquisition plan. We all know that piecemeal orders kill economies of scale, and affect margins.


randomradio said:
That's just dependent on India's increasing funds
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When was the last time the armed forces returned unspent acquisition funds to the govt at the close of a given financial year? More money is not the answer. It's all about planning requirements long-term, defining timelines, and assuring minimum order quantities (just like farmers insist on MSP for their produce)
 
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Speedster1 said:
He was talking A 7 year time gap between RfP, trials, commercial bidding, multiple approvals,etc in the context of the IAs artillery acquisition plan. We all know that piecemeal orders kill economies of scale, and affect margins.
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Welcome to the defense industry. Very complex programs, very large timescales and particularly when speaking about Kalyani and ATAGS, not actually following IA's requirements to the letter and pretending they know better than the army.

When you have a 15T limit bridge and you build an 18T weapon, you know you are dead in the water. Same thing happend to WhAP. These guys just think IA's requirements are guidelines that can be trampled underfoot.

This is what happened to the LCA program too. ATAGS took time because it kept failing trials. Being the "most tested" before introduction isn't a badge of honor.

Speedster1 said:
When was the last time the armed forces returned unspent acquisition funds to the govt at the close of a given financial year? More money is not the answer. It's all about planning requirements long-term, defining timelines, and assuring minimum order quantities (just like farmers insist on MSP for their produce)
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It's all specific to the requirement. If you want 30 destroyers instead of 8, then you need funds. But the best we could do before this was just 3-4 at a time.

It's due to lack of funds that we are going for a batch of 2 SSNs with each order. The Chinese can build that much every 6 months. If the IN's budget jumps up from $7B a year to $30B, they will still return funds, but you can imagine all the things they will be able to do with their new budget. In 10 years we could reach that level. Then even we can build 2 SSNs a year, going all the way to 20 or 30 per class like the Americans.
 
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marich01 said:
The beauty @Rajput Lion

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Still no news regarding IRST pod that I earlier hoped for. Without that, Tejas MK1A would be under serious threat against J-10C in a cluttered/EM dense environment. Even mighty USAF is putting IRST pods on all their fighters, even stealth F-22s.

PS: Looks like our own ASPJ will be put from 41st unit onwards to work seamlessly with our own Uttam radar. EL/L-8222 shall work properly with all-units with EL/M-2052s.
 
Wasn't there a newer GaN, wideband variant of the EL/L-8222 (Scorpius?) we were supposed to get? I think Alpha or VEM was going to be building it under license in India.
 
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Rajput Lion said:
Still no news regarding IRST pod that I earlier hoped for. Without that, Tejas MK1A would be under serious threat against J-10C in a cluttered/EM dense environment. Even mighty USAF is putting IRST pods on all their fighters, even stealth F-22s.

PS: Looks like our own ASPJ will be put from 41st unit onwards to work seamlessly with our own Uttam radar. EL/L-8222 shall work properly with all-units with EL/M-2052s.
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Very recently , like yesterday, IRDE had something tendered for

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guess what it looks like

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Speedster1 said:
Wasn't there a newer GaN, wideband variant of the EL/L-8222 (Scorpius?) we were supposed to get? I think Alpha or VEM was going to be building it under license in India.
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Yes, EL/L-8222SB has GaN modules. But did we order it?
marich01 said:
prob for amca , not sure which jets will sport it tbh. lets wait.
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MK2, MKI UPG. & AMCA will have similar tech based IRST just scaled according to the space/size available, IMO.
 
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Rajput Lion said:
Still no news regarding IRST pod that I earlier hoped for. Without that, Tejas MK1A would be under serious threat against J-10C in a cluttered/EM dense environment. Even mighty USAF is putting IRST pods on all their fighters, even stealth F-22s.

PS: Looks like our own ASPJ will be put from 41st unit onwards to work seamlessly with our own Uttam radar. EL/L-8222 shall work properly with all-units with EL/M-2052s.
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Do we even have any space inside for the IRST LRUs in Mk1/Mk1A? If we do, then the earliest I think we'll get them is from the 97 follow-on orders, and that's only if the pod-based IRST is developed by then.
 
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YoungWolf said:
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Do we even have any space inside for the IRST LRUs in Mk1/Mk1A? If we do, then the earliest I think we'll get them is from the 97 follow-on orders, and that's only if the pod-based IRST is developed by then.
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AFAIK, Selex has a pod based IRST, a derivative of very advance SkyWard-G. We could pursue that option, until we develop such a solution for MK1A. Whether MK1B will have internal IRST is yet to be seen.

Yes, the current Litening pods(which Tejas has got) also have an air-to-air mode, but still can't match the dedicated IRSTs. So, in my opinion, the way modern aerial warfare is evolving, not having an IRST is NOT an option. We must have it on all our future fighters and that includes the coming ~200 Tejas MK1A/B.
 
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Good find

 
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