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I think the confusion is regarding how much amount of work HAL is putting in developing MK1A. Definitely the quoted figure looks little higher, but also the 83 order is not a large number. IAF should go for 40 extra MK1A and I hope that will reduce the per plane cost by quite a margin, at least by 10-15%.

Also MK1A should be the product for export. HAL should be given full freedom to promote MK1A abroad, it has huge potential.
 
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Pundrick said:
I think the confusion is regarding how much amount of work HAL is putting in developing MK1A. Definitely the quoted figure looks little higher, but also the 83 order is not a large number. IAF should go for 40 extra MK1A and I hope that will reduce the per plane cost by quite a margin, at least by 10-15%.

Also MK1A should be the product for export. HAL should be given full freedom to promote MK1A abroad, it has huge potential.
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The next order will be MK2. So, why go for MK1a more than what is needed as stop gap measure?

Also, the 83 planes is a good number. This is in addition to the already ordered 40 planes which also have had developmental costs. The number of rafales built till now is about 160-170. Why would you consider 123 planes as low number?
 
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I think the confusion is regarding how much amount of work HAL is putting in developing MK1A. Definitely the quoted figure looks little higher, but also the 83 order is not a large number. IAF should go for 40 extra MK1A and I hope that will reduce the per plane cost by quite a margin, at least by 10-15%.

Also MK1A should be the product for export. HAL should be given full freedom to promote MK1A abroad, it has huge potential.
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FIRST , let us see MK1A frame come to light BEFORE we can talk abt qty and export!!!
 
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Pundrick said:
I think the confusion is regarding how much amount of work HAL is putting in developing MK1A. Definitely the quoted figure looks little higher, but also the 83 order is not a large number. IAF should go for 40 extra MK1A and I hope that will reduce the per plane cost by quite a margin, at least by 10-15%.

Also MK1A should be the product for export. HAL should be given full freedom to promote MK1A abroad, it has huge potential.
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Mk1 only 40 ordered cost <100 cr..
 
Sathya said:
private sector participation jacked up the price ?

if its AESA or new engine makes MK1A Costlier, government wouldn't form a committee
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Mk1 was 70% indigenous with our own radar. Mk1A will have a foreign AESA radar and EW suite. So the indigenous percentage will be much lower.
 
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Mk1 was 70% indigenous with our own radar. Mk1A will have a foreign AESA radar and EW suite. So the indigenous percentage will be much lower.
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Foreign Aesa and SpJ won't make us form a committee I think.
Because it's understandable they are expensive.

In that case committee may be discussing whether Tejas need that expensive capabilities..

However I don't think that's the case.
Govt forms committee means it's more than significant deviation.
Part of every thing may be playing it's part.

High cost should not become the reason to order lower numbers.
 
pachawry said:
The next order will be MK2. So, why go for MK1a more than what is needed as stop gap measure?

Also, the 83 planes is a good number. This is in addition to the already ordered 40 planes which also have had developmental costs. The number of rafales built till now is about 160-170. Why would you consider 123 planes as low number?
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Rafale is result of cooperation of defense ecosystem and swift development. LCA is not.

Plus no one is sure about fate of MK2, why not produce enough buffer of MK1A till MK2 materializes. In addition, MK2 already has many competition in market while MK1A will be unique with JF being only competitor in market. MK1A is produced in larger number will help in penetrating foreign market.

83 is surely not enough number to reduce the cost of MK1A, we need 40 at least extra, why would any private player produce only 83 equipment at less cost ? What after that ? 83 will be produced within 4 years if HAL gives their everything. And I am damn sure ADA/DRDO will not be able to make MK2 induction worthy by 2025.
 
every thing aside, i personally think that our major approach towards LCA mk. 2 should follow the Rafale route. Perfect it will be. not the events themselves and their timeline(rafale development) but in the design wise. the same approach. unified system interfaces and system integration, one of the hallmarks of the 5th gen designs, should be tried for in LCA Mk 2. that technology is already in service around the world. we should have that...what is it called...sensor fusion. in Tejas mk2.
 
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Is the Tejas complying to all the initial goals?
If Yes, Indian Govt must impose the plane to the force, as a Mig 21 replacement.
If Not, HAL and ADA has to work more on it.

I think the main error was, for a new player, to developp a new plane and a new engine in parallel, with some very futuristic spec (variable flow).
Imagine a Tejas with a RR Spey or a Snecma M53 ? And a a later stage a proper indian engine. It would have been clever and careful.
But it's always too easy to re write history.
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you know honestly, Tejas has made it this far stands on the quality of the aircraft and team behind it. in time, we will have a Tejas with a kaveri and uttam. all developed part of the same program, LCA. they were spinned off as the development of the engine got delayed.

Tejas had to win over a hostile IAF. fact. No country sees this. Only in India. See what the Pakistanis have done with their jf17 ? they took whatever they could get in both hands and nurtured it like a baby. otoh, Tejas had to face hostility to prove itself before induction in the IAF. our first plane, our own air force. imagine.
 
Pundrick said:
Rafale is result of cooperation of defense ecosystem and swift development. LCA is not.

Plus no one is sure about fate of MK2, why not produce enough buffer of MK1A till MK2 materializes. In addition, MK2 already has many competition in market while MK1A will be unique with JF being only competitor in market. MK1A is produced in larger number will help in penetrating foreign market.

83 is surely not enough number to reduce the cost of MK1A, we need 40 at least extra, why would any private player produce only 83 equipment at less cost ? What after that ? 83 will be produced within 4 years if HAL gives their everything. And I am damn sure ADA/DRDO will not be able to make MK2 induction worthy by 2025.
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The idea of 83 is that after 123 (83+20+20) is made, the next version is LCA MK2. LCA MK2 is made by ADA whereas MK1A is made by HAL. So, you being damn sure has nothing to do with reality. The speed at which India is building new technology - Pinaka guided, scorpene, nuclear submarine, drones, seekers, ATGM, AIP, Torpedo, Kaveri engine, Brahmos, UTTAM etc in short span of time, I am not sceptical about LCA MK2 timeline.

LCA MK1A is facing big problem due to readjustment needed to balance the centre of gravity and find space to fit in equipment in the already congested imternal area of Mk1. It is hard to add new equipment to the same plane. Mind you that LCA MK1A is not an upgrade of MK1 but modification of MK1.

Also, none cares if MK1A has competition. It is not a very effective plane and is not desired. JF17 is also not very effective plane. Undesirable planes don't have market regardless of competition. Tejas Mk2 is made to increase fuel and hence range which was severely lacking in MK1. Without enough range, Mk1 has little value in market
 
Next LCA achievements will be
  1. Air to air refueling
  2. sp 10, 11 flight
  3. FOC certification
But God knows when HAL will be back from holidays :p:D
 
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Sathya said:
Foreign Aesa and SpJ won't make us form a committee I think.
Because it's understandable they are expensive.

In that case committee may be discussing whether Tejas need that expensive capabilities..

However I don't think that's the case.
Govt forms committee means it's more than significant deviation.
Part of every thing may be playing it's part.

High cost should not become the reason to order lower numbers.
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It's a cost negotiating committee. They can't change tech specs.
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
Denied information on high-tech fighter jet equipment, India develops its own


How effective is this & how does it compare to foreign equivalents ? @randomradio ; @Ashutosh
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These are available even commercially. The HUD or HMD is not a great technology that is to be boasted about. All it does is display the flight control and other information on tge windscreen itself or on the visor of the helmet itself in a distinct colour pattern as to not blovk the front view while at the same time enabling the pilot to read the information without having to look down on the panels.

It is a shame that media is boasting of this technology
 
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