I wonder if that is epoxy or sealed stained polished concrete, that floor looks amazing. @VCheng still haven't finished my garage floor. Now regret on not getting a contractor as you had mentioned.
LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions
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WTF are they talking about? So retarded. I stopped watching after 9 min.
I agree with them when they are saying HAL is not good at manufacturing in high rate... Government should introduce 2nd players, A new private player who can ramp up the production rate and fulfill the demands but these guys are failed to explain that cost increase is mainly due to additional equipment added in mk1a but they are correct in some points that there is no accountability for delaying in the production rate of jets ,9 to 5 job is not good in manufacturing sector...there should be hire and fire policy if you are underperforming.
That's the part I don't agree with.
IOC of the LCA happened in Dec 2013, and first delivery of SP-3 with IOC specs happened in Dec 2016. The 3 year delivery time is an international norm.
To date they have delivered 9 jets and a bunch of them are almost done. So they have over-delivered compared to what was promised, ie 4 jets in the first year.
Do not forget the 657 MiG21 manufactured by HAL in late 1970s and early 80s or the 12-16 Su30 manufacturing per year currently. There are other issues in Tejas. Though it may appear that Tejas is 20 year old project, the reality is that about 6-7 years were wasted by UPA. One has to give some time
I am not denying their achievements but I still believe HAL is slow compare to a private player,Private manufacture can do better than government sector look at L&t ,Kalyani .Government sector jobs are secured, people work there don’t have fear factor of layoffs,Director gone new director takes control...he get ready for his retirement .There is no one to compete with HAL, we need a private manufacturing company.
Come out UPA excuse,a delay in your goal is a failure of your planning.you are aware of the situation when you took control you should have planned properly , learn to accept your failures.
Who is in control? HAL of GOI? You are speaking as if HAL is a very rich autonomous industry with full freedom to do whatever it wants? Get out of your delusion and face the reality - the government is the responsible entity. If HAL does not work properly, govt can always hire fresh faces, get NRI or other talented people to continue the project. HAL is just a tool of the government. Wake up!
I don’t what you want say ,we need private sector for ramp up the production line since HAL work like below ...
When production takes off fully, 70% of the LCA will be made by the private sector.
That’s ok but still I believe integration should done by private player like private shipyards .once Ada done with changes they should handover the design to integrator.Corporates are ready to take this opportunity but government should provide clearance, license and land to these industries ...I don’t see there will be any progress till next election because government want make everyone happy.no new program only media reports...
You are actually giving reasons why there should be private set up.. to be outside the influence of politics.
Its sad to read the politics can delay the R&D ..
Can you collate the evidences against Congress delaying and wasting 6 years .
Like funds restrictions etc ?
I find it hard to believe.
No private industry will waste money on research. Even in USA, the pentagon or DoD funds the private companies to make research on new technology. Congress wasted time in many points:
1) Uranium production was deliberately kept low despite huge discoveries of Uranium deposits
2) Astra missile was ground tested for 11 years from 2003-2014 without a single flight testing! This is a record of sorts
3) Arjun Tank was scuttled
4) Tejas plane had very little development from about 2008-2014. The IOC-1 was given under pressure without any proper scrutiny. That is also why India gave IOC-1. There is nothing like that in the world. It is IOC and FOC. IOC-1 and IOC-2 make no sense
5) SARAS plane was grounded
6) Kaveri engine was not given test bed. GTRE head Mohana Rao had stated this in Aero India 2009 itself that government is restricting funds
7) Brahmos critical items was not indigenised and most of the indigenisation took place recently
8) Scorpene submarine was negotiated from 2002 and signed in 2005 but first submarine only sailed in 2016!
9) Weapons locating radar was first made in 2003 but inducted in 2015!
10) Engine for helicopter was not indigenised. The very idea of getting Shakti engines was progressive indigenisation which was never done, not even an attempt was made
11) Seekers were not developed and projects like NAG ATGM were delayed
12) Development of Indian Medium Lift helicopter was delayed and even grounded. This was very important project as India has no transport chopper or plane manufacturing.
There are many more which I can list but these are the main ones.
1) Uranium production was deliberately kept low despite huge discoveries of Uranium deposits
2) Astra missile was ground tested for 11 years from 2003-2014 without a single flight testing! This is a record of sorts
3) Arjun Tank was scuttled
4) Tejas plane had very little development from about 2008-2014. The IOC-1 was given under pressure without any proper scrutiny. That is also why India gave IOC-1. There is nothing like that in the world. It is IOC and FOC. IOC-1 and IOC-2 make no sense
5) SARAS plane was grounded
6) Kaveri engine was not given test bed. GTRE head Mohana Rao had stated this in Aero India 2009 itself that government is restricting funds
7) Brahmos critical items was not indigenised and most of the indigenisation took place recently
8) Scorpene submarine was negotiated from 2002 and signed in 2005 but first submarine only sailed in 2016!
9) Weapons locating radar was first made in 2003 but inducted in 2015!
10) Engine for helicopter was not indigenised. The very idea of getting Shakti engines was progressive indigenisation which was never done, not even an attempt was made
11) Seekers were not developed and projects like NAG ATGM were delayed
12) Development of Indian Medium Lift helicopter was delayed and even grounded. This was very important project as India has no transport chopper or plane manufacturing.
There are many more which I can list but these are the main ones.
That was unrealistic when LCA started, HAL was the only choice. But with AMCA, the ADA is scouting for a private production partner.
I don't have enough clout to refuse or accept your points..
I couldn't fix the exact reasons for the failure or delay of above points .
But I ve felt Saras was not given enough support. Not sure of the reasons.
Civilian aircrafts R&D haven't taken off even now.. ( HAL 90 seater )
Read long back that once Tata had to support Tejas at a critical point..
Some how I missed the tag...
Depends, but basically what an HUD/HMD does is best explained by Augmented reality. While it is relatively easy to do on a computer/mobile which is hooked to the internet and huge servers to do the same in a flying weapon with basic and rugged computers needs good programming and hardware to achive the same also an head tracker to make sure you always see everything properly aligned. Same with HMDs. So yeah a bit complicated feat...
It's difficult to say when Mk1A will fly. We basically do not know the current status of the Mk1A airframe. We will have to wait for FOC clearance of Mk1 first. We don't even know if the FOC aircraft will use the MK1A airframe either, or if they will convert it to a full-fledged Mk1A with AESA radar. The definitive version is expected to be delivered in 2023.
As for Mk2, I'm guessing 2022 at the earliest for the first flight. This one's going to be a Gripen E class aircraft, with more than 6T payload, so it's going to take some time to test it. Give it some time, it will no longer be called Mk2.
It doesn't look like either jet will have the Kaveri though.
