LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions

I don’t what you want say ,we need private sector for ramp up the production line since HAL work like below ...:rolleyes::p

Have you ever been to any of the HAL plants? people usually say HAL delivers 16 MKI/yr, forgetting that they are slated to deliver 16MKI's, 24 AJT's, 24ALH's, 8 LCA's, , and is capable of overhauling 16 Jaguars, 18 Mig27M, 8 Do228's alongside, and the number of LCH and HTT40's i am not sure about.
That is delivering about 72 brand new systems and capable of overhauling about 48 systems in a year, not to mention bunch of PSLV and GSLV components, development work on LCA, DARIN III, DARE upgrades, Mig21 bison schedule LGU replacements, CHeetak/Cheetah undercarriage repairs, Mirage 2000 Upgrades, Mig29UPG upgrades and Cemmilac/DGQA certifications for all ADA/DRDO systems.

Before badmouthing an organization which has been the backbone of IAF, ISRO and many others, go meet some of the officers in HAL and find out how they have been consistently delivering against all roadblocks being set by the south-block A$$hats.
 
Last edited:
It's difficult to say when Mk1A will fly. We basically do not know the current status of the Mk1A airframe. We will have to wait for FOC clearance of Mk1 first. We don't even know if the FOC aircraft will use the MK1A airframe either, or if they will convert it to a full-fledged Mk1A with AESA radar. The definitive version is expected to be delivered in 2023.

As for Mk2, I'm guessing 2022 at the earliest for the first flight. This one's going to be a Gripen E class aircraft, with more than 6T payload, so it's going to take some time to test it. Give it some time, it will no longer be called Mk2.

It doesn't look like either jet will have the Kaveri though. :(


:eek: I was expecting MK1A & Kaveri to fly next year independently then mated later on ...

It's quite shocking to hear both not having it .

When will the radar contract be awarded ?

Also are we going to make the rest of Mk1 till 2022/3 ?
 
Have you ever been to any of the HAL plants? people usually say HAL delivers 16 MKI/yr, forgetting that they are slated to deliver 16MKI's, 24 AJT's, 24ALH's, 8 LCA's, , and is capable of overhauling 16 Jaguars, 18 Mig27M, 8 Do228's alongside, and the number of LCH and HTT40's i am not sure about.
That is delivering about 72 brand new systems and capable of overhauling about 48 systems in a year, not to mention bunch of PSLV and GSLV components, development work on LCA, DARIN III, DARE upgrades, Mig21 bison schedule LGU replacements, CHeetak/Cheetah undercarriage repairs, Mirage 2000 Upgrades, Mig29UPG upgrades and Cemmilac/DGQA certifications for all ADA/DRDO systems.

Before badmouthing an organization which has been the backbone of IAF, ISRO and many others, go meet some of the officers in HAL and find out how they have been consistently delivering against all roadblocks being set by the south-block A$$hats.
Ok,1 LCA Tejas manufacturing take how many years?any idea ...I mean for 1st flight.
 
Ok,1 LCA Tejas manufacturing take how many years?any idea ...I mean for 1st flight.
It depends where your starting point is, if your reference is after the death of Jesus, then 2001 years, if your reference is when the bug for idea of LCA originated then 17 years, if your reference is Design Validation, then 11 years. if your reference is build time for first prototype its 4 years, if your reference is Takt, then in india there are 251 working days in a calendar year and HAL is currently building 8 aircrafts /yr, so 31.38 days to build one LCA. Take your pick.
 
It depends where your starting point is, if your reference is after the death of Jesus, then 2001 years, if your reference is when the bug for idea of LCA originated then 17 years, if your reference is Design Validation, then 11 years. if your reference is build time for first prototype its 4 years, if your reference is Takt, then in india there are 251 working days in a calendar year and HAL is currently building 8 aircrafts /yr, so 31.38 days to build one LCA. Take your pick.
So when this 8 aircraft’s per year manufacturing started 2018 July ?
 
:eek: I was expecting MK1A & Kaveri to fly next year independently then mated later on ...

It's quite shocking to hear both not having it .

Very unlikely. GTRE needs 10 years to make a 100+KN version.

If the French help out real quick, then we may see a 90KN version, which we can put on Mk1A. But the time frame is too short to test and certify the engine. Who knows?

As of today, assume that LCA and Kaveri are not meant to be.

When will the radar contract be awarded ?

Already done for Mk1A, Israeli radar. Uttam for Mk2.

Also are we going to make the rest of Mk1 till 2022/3 ?

The last 20 FOC Mk1? Production will start by year end or early next year and delivery in 2021-22. 3 years after production begins.
 
IAF may steer Tejas to overcome project delays

The Indian Air Force (IAF) may get the control of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas programme from Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA). The decision, likely to be made official by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) soon, is aimed at ending the blame game over the project delay, often being played out by the stake-holders of the flagship ‘Make in India’ project.

Military sources confirmed to Onmanorama that the idea of an IAF official being given the command and control of Tejas programme has been floating around for some time now.

As per a proposal being mooted, the IAF might depute an officer of an Air Marshal rank to head the Tejas project.

The head of LCA Division, currently an officer at Executive Director level and Programme Director of ADA, an H-level scientist, may then report to him, if the plans take off smoothly.

Ramping up the Tejas production will be based on a SPV (Special Purpose Vehicle) model or a SBU (Strategic Business Unit) model.

“The government wants to bring HAL and ADA together. IAF needs Tejas in large numbers and the only way to achieve this is through a fresh look to overcome delays. The balance of convenience in this case will have to rest with the IAF,” says an official.

“The structural gap between HAL and ADA, a prime cause of Tejas delay, has to be bridged and we feel IAF can do it,” he adds.

With Tejas yet to be given the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) which will make it a complete fighting machine, the IAF has been waiting in the wings to ‘strike’ at both HAL and ADA.

“The FOC deadlines have slipped many times and it is unlikely that ADA will tick off the pending points even by December 2018. HAL has promised defence minister that it would deliver 16 aircraft this year (2018-19). The IAF will now get to infuse new ideas to ramp up the production,” the official added.

If HAL sticks to the promise, it will have to deliver seven fighters (SP-10 to SP-16) from the initial operation clearance (IOC) block and nine from the FOC block (SP-21 to SP-29).

As reported by Onmanorama, the IAF-HAL stalemate over trainers continues, which will delay the delivery of first set of trainer from the IOC block (SP-17 to SP-20).

he defence minister is keen that the production numbers should touch double digits this year.

HAL insiders miffed

While the IAF seems to have won this round of battle, it won’t be easy for it to run the show, going by the responses from some of the HAL insiders.

They say the programme is now at a crucial juncture and any disturbance to the production and design process will be ‘disastrous.’

Another designer attached to the project said ‘cultural differences’ will be a flash point with an IAF official at the helm of affairs.

“The management of an IAF Squadron, where-in non-unionized military personnel work, is totally different from unionized military set up in HAL. Factory Act and the labour laws play a key role towards the management of HAL workforce, which is not the case with IAF,” he says.

Some feel the introduction of an operational-level official will complicate matters, considering that HAL is a complex organisation that has a lot of interaction with its sister divisions.

“Leading a project does not mean leading one facility of HAL. The success depends upon close coordination between other divisions of HAL. IAF coming in will be an administrative nightmare because of structural incoherence of introducing somebody at operational level. We feel the focus may shift from manufacturing to ROH (Repair and Overhaul) support. KRI (key risk indicator) of IAF is ROH management. Tejas production may get impacted by this mindset,” says an engineer.

Emotions vs Operations

An IAF project management team (PMT) is functioning out of ADA from 2004, monitoring the progress of production series aircraft. The team is currently headed by an Air Marshal.

IAF says emotions have no role in operational matters and it needs Tejas fighters at a faster production rate.

“With the squadron (No 45 Squadron, Flying Daggers) moving to Sulur, we cannot now run the show at the same pace. The squadron needs to be strengthened and all teething issues sorted at immediately. The production and design agencies — HAL and ADA — must step on the gas,” says an IAF officer.

While IAF minced no words on Tejas delays, it is no secret that it also made many changes with their operational needs.

“That’s the advantage with a homegrown programme. What’s wrong with it? Finally our boys will have to fly it. Our needs will change with times. We are bothered about the safety of the man in the cockpit and the machine. Many people have emotions attached to Tejas. Emotions don’t work in fighter programmes,” says an IAF officer.

Sources said IAF now wants a SDR (Software Defined Radio) onboard all FOC platforms, a latest addition, which was not envisaged earlier.

HAL’s worst nightmare might have come true with IAF now patrolling over their heads with vigour. They feel after gaining control over Tejas, IAF will ‘capture’ more territory in future.

In the past, HAL had successfully managed to scuttle such proposals, including having an IAF man at the helm of the former. Now, worried over the falling squadron strength, IAF seems to have pushed their case successfully with the government.

Though at a premature stage, there’s another thought process gaining momentum of a possible merger of ADA with HAL. Only time will tell if it is the next precision strike by the MoD.
 
IAF may steer Tejas to overcome project delays

The Indian Air Force (IAF) may get the control of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas programme from Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA). The decision, likely to be made official by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) soon, is aimed at ending the blame game over the project delay, often being played out by the stake-holders of the flagship ‘Make in India’ project.

Military sources confirmed to Onmanorama that the idea of an IAF official being given the command and control of Tejas programme has been floating around for some time now.

As per a proposal being mooted, the IAF might depute an officer of an Air Marshal rank to head the Tejas project.

The head of LCA Division, currently an officer at Executive Director level and Programme Director of ADA, an H-level scientist, may then report to him, if the plans take off smoothly.

Ramping up the Tejas production will be based on a SPV (Special Purpose Vehicle) model or a SBU (Strategic Business Unit) model.

“The government wants to bring HAL and ADA together. IAF needs Tejas in large numbers and the only way to achieve this is through a fresh look to overcome delays. The balance of convenience in this case will have to rest with the IAF,” says an official.

“The structural gap between HAL and ADA, a prime cause of Tejas delay, has to be bridged and we feel IAF can do it,” he adds.

With Tejas yet to be given the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) which will make it a complete fighting machine, the IAF has been waiting in the wings to ‘strike’ at both HAL and ADA.

“The FOC deadlines have slipped many times and it is unlikely that ADA will tick off the pending points even by December 2018. HAL has promised defence minister that it would deliver 16 aircraft this year (2018-19). The IAF will now get to infuse new ideas to ramp up the production,” the official added.

If HAL sticks to the promise, it will have to deliver seven fighters (SP-10 to SP-16) from the initial operation clearance (IOC) block and nine from the FOC block (SP-21 to SP-29).

As reported by Onmanorama, the IAF-HAL stalemate over trainers continues, which will delay the delivery of first set of trainer from the IOC block (SP-17 to SP-20).

he defence minister is keen that the production numbers should touch double digits this year.

HAL insiders miffed

While the IAF seems to have won this round of battle, it won’t be easy for it to run the show, going by the responses from some of the HAL insiders.

They say the programme is now at a crucial juncture and any disturbance to the production and design process will be ‘disastrous.’

Another designer attached to the project said ‘cultural differences’ will be a flash point with an IAF official at the helm of affairs.

“The management of an IAF Squadron, where-in non-unionized military personnel work, is totally different from unionized military set up in HAL. Factory Act and the labour laws play a key role towards the management of HAL workforce, which is not the case with IAF,” he says.

Some feel the introduction of an operational-level official will complicate matters, considering that HAL is a complex organisation that has a lot of interaction with its sister divisions.

“Leading a project does not mean leading one facility of HAL. The success depends upon close coordination between other divisions of HAL. IAF coming in will be an administrative nightmare because of structural incoherence of introducing somebody at operational level. We feel the focus may shift from manufacturing to ROH (Repair and Overhaul) support. KRI (key risk indicator) of IAF is ROH management. Tejas production may get impacted by this mindset,” says an engineer.

Emotions vs Operations

An IAF project management team (PMT) is functioning out of ADA from 2004, monitoring the progress of production series aircraft. The team is currently headed by an Air Marshal.

IAF says emotions have no role in operational matters and it needs Tejas fighters at a faster production rate.

“With the squadron (No 45 Squadron, Flying Daggers) moving to Sulur, we cannot now run the show at the same pace. The squadron needs to be strengthened and all teething issues sorted at immediately. The production and design agencies — HAL and ADA — must step on the gas,” says an IAF officer.

While IAF minced no words on Tejas delays, it is no secret that it also made many changes with their operational needs.

“That’s the advantage with a homegrown programme. What’s wrong with it? Finally our boys will have to fly it. Our needs will change with times. We are bothered about the safety of the man in the cockpit and the machine. Many people have emotions attached to Tejas. Emotions don’t work in fighter programmes,” says an IAF officer.

Sources said IAF now wants a SDR (Software Defined Radio) onboard all FOC platforms, a latest addition, which was not envisaged earlier.

HAL’s worst nightmare might have come true with IAF now patrolling over their heads with vigour. They feel after gaining control over Tejas, IAF will ‘capture’ more territory in future.

In the past, HAL had successfully managed to scuttle such proposals, including having an IAF man at the helm of the former. Now, worried over the falling squadron strength, IAF seems to have pushed their case successfully with the government.

Though at a premature stage, there’s another thought process gaining momentum of a possible merger of ADA with HAL. Only time will tell if it is the next precision strike by the MoD.

Finally!!! About freaking time that the IAF leads the main projects.

But the merger of ADA with HAL is not a good idea.
 
So when this 8 aircraft’s per year manufacturing started 2018 July ?
There is this search engine called "google", there is a search bar there, and the magic is you can type words in it and it will search the web for the content for you. Try it, you will get loads of info on when the 8 aircrafts for the year are to be delivered, if there is progressive cut down production time, if Mr Raju is committing to 8 a/c etc. You wouldn't need to as such question furthermore.
 
Not bad. If the IAF accepts the previous variants for FOC, then we can start seeing deliveries significantly sooner. But what it also means is the Mk1A airframe won't be available for FOC.
 
Not bad. If the IAF accepts the previous variants for FOC, then we can start seeing deliveries significantly sooner. But what it also means is the Mk1A airframe won't be available for FOC.
There is no airframe change between Mk1 and MK1A. You are confusing Mk2 with MK1A. If there was an airframe change, the process will be to lengthy and it would make no sense to have MK1A at all.
 
There is no airframe change between Mk1 and MK1A. You are confusing Mk2 with MK1A. If there was an airframe change, the process will be to lengthy and it would make no sense to have MK1A at all.

The Mk1A is the same as Mk1 but has reduced weight and some small aerodynamic redesigns.
 
There is this search engine called "google", there is a search bar there, and the magic is you can type words in it and it will search the web for the content for you. Try it, you will get loads of info on when the 8 aircrafts for the year are to be delivered, if there is progressive cut down production time, if Mr Raju is committing to 8 a/c etc. You wouldn't need to as such question furthermore.
It’s a forum people will have their opinion you can’t push your thoughts on others and keep your mind in freezer don’t need to be over hyped ...please don’t quote me again thanks , I will not quote you and cheers (y)
 
It’s a forum people will have their opinion you can’t push your thoughts on others and keep your mind in freezer don’t need to be over hyped ...please don’t quote me again thanks , I will not quote you and cheers (y)
Thanks !