I doubt there are any alternate plans. More Rafales are the only possibility.
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I doubt there are any alternate plans. More Rafales are the only possibility.
The Mirage upgrade is so good that even the French are applying it
Our upgraded Mirage is as good as Block 60 F 16
The RDY 3 , Mica , ICMS 4 , MDPU from Rafale and new engines
RDY 3 is better than BARS in the A to G mode
From what I have read Parrikar was totally enamoured by Modi's made in India concept and pushed The IAF to accept Mk 1 A
IAF had said bluntly that Mk 1 does not meet their requirements ,hence Mk1 A was a compromise solution
Because Mk2 could never have come earlier than 2025
IAF also used this opportunity to push for AESA in Mk 1 A
The Thales IMA is called MDPU in Rafale
Our upgraded Mirage has this element of Rafale added to it specially on IAF demand
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If Modi wins in 2019 he will do anything to get Trump for his 26 January parade and that means F 16 is back on the table
Trump will come for 26 January only if we buy something big
This is an unsubstantiated claim. This is the imagination of the journalists.
What is the change between MK1A and MK1 FOC? Can you explain. Everyone knows that Mk2 is the real plane needed and MK1A is a trade-off to buy time and maintain expertise. Expertise in manufacturing, assembly and feedback is needed to be able to build planes quickly in future. If IAF does not know where to make what compromises, then IAF is unfit. Tomorrow, they will ask for a perfect battlefield too.
When it is the IAF who is ruining everything by not making compromises, what is the need for contingency plans?
If IAF don't want tools and deliberately reject tools, no one can do anything. Jaguar and Mirage upgrade were done at exorbitant price with minimal addition in capability. Yet, the same people have unwarranted demands for Tejas.
MK2 was only declared. The government did not sanction sufficient funds for making the plane.
Mirage 2000 is as good as block 60 F16? Why? Just because you say so?
Can you explain why is Modi enamoured with Trump? Trump was invited to January 26 of next year's republic Day, mostly to sign COMCASA with Modi. There were so many deals for billions of dollars. Trump did not come for any of that, did he? DId Obama come for any big deals?If Modi wins in 2019 he will do anything to get Trump for his 26 January parade and that means F 16 is back on the table
Trump will come for 26 January only if we buy something big
Just for sake of discussion, french M2000 -5 Mk2 are made from oldest 2000 RDM. Tooo old to be interestigly modernized. It is unfair to blame HAL for all. A single society, as good as it is, cannot create a whole ecosystem in itself. Let me give an example "we must know how to build type x ceramics" "well lets create a department". Once the ceramic is ok, you think the dept will look on how to work for other companies etc. No. Lack flexibility. It will stay as it is, capitalizing from the mother society. A smaller company would have to need other markets etc.
Dunno if i was clear. There are rumours that india is interesting in new Thales SDR and datalink btw.
Dunno if i was clear. There are rumours that india is interesting in new Thales SDR and datalink btw.
India has made SDR for navy just a week back. I am sure same will be adapted to Tejas. SDR are quite flexible tools and can be adapted to many places
All that you have written is very impressive
But in effective
When DRDO agreed to make Mk 1 A
By 2019 , why blame the IAF
There is complete silence on the part of DRDO when it comes to the progress in
Mk 1 A and MK 2 's progress is also never mentioned
But they will talk on and on about AMCA
So who is misleading the country
Infact now that IAF officials are going to head HAL we will see more quarrels and tensions
If A few senior guys resign in protest
Then everything will come to a complete halt
If A few senior guys resign in protest
Then everything will come to a complete halt
The French do not plan to upgrade their Mirages, they are going to use Rafales, it was Rafales which were to replace Mirages.
On other hand, when French were replacing Mirage 2000 with Rafales , we were the fools who wanted to buy Mirage 2000 just because it was able to drop bombs in Kargill,
as I see it, IAF has an incomptetent top leadership who have no idea about leadership or vision. They are best at giving interviews which are counter productive (read ACM RAha and NAK Browne) they just dont know when to shut up. I think Def Min should first stop the Military leadership to give statements. Each defence service have official spokesman, they should be giving it. The statements by the top military people ar actually becoming problems. At one point of time to pressurise the govt they say "we are not ready for two front war" and now when Rafale is ordered (and not delivered) they are ready for 2 front war?) WTF ...
Mirage might have a good radar but its not very capable, an AESA (Which IAF was pushing for) why did not IAF on insist of AESA as Mirage 2000 upgrade? thats the question. RDY3 are decades old radar and if we are going for upgrade why not get AESA radar, Even Jaguar is getting an AESA ... haha. Jaguar, due to sophistication of weapons will havea very very limited role, perhaps that of taking off and landing on national highways.
On other hand, when French were replacing Mirage 2000 with Rafales , we were the fools who wanted to buy Mirage 2000 just because it was able to drop bombs in Kargill,
as I see it, IAF has an incomptetent top leadership who have no idea about leadership or vision. They are best at giving interviews which are counter productive (read ACM RAha and NAK Browne) they just dont know when to shut up. I think Def Min should first stop the Military leadership to give statements. Each defence service have official spokesman, they should be giving it. The statements by the top military people ar actually becoming problems. At one point of time to pressurise the govt they say "we are not ready for two front war" and now when Rafale is ordered (and not delivered) they are ready for 2 front war?) WTF ...
Mirage might have a good radar but its not very capable, an AESA (Which IAF was pushing for) why did not IAF on insist of AESA as Mirage 2000 upgrade? thats the question. RDY3 are decades old radar and if we are going for upgrade why not get AESA radar, Even Jaguar is getting an AESA ... haha. Jaguar, due to sophistication of weapons will havea very very limited role, perhaps that of taking off and landing on national highways.
How can anyone know how much time will it take to develop anything? For example, Software Defined Radios were not yet made in 2015. Poeple just give estimates of timeline. Moreover, the timeline of 2018 end still appears reasonable considering that the number of tests remaining is about 200 sorties which is doable in 5months. The normal sortie rate for Tejas in developmental flights is 500 per year.
HAL had promised that the FOC will be obtained by december 2018 in 2017 itself. Just read the previous few pages of this thread to get the source (I thought I was the new guy here!). So, as far as I see, they have maintained their promise till date. Just 200 or less sorties required is an indication of the completion. Just last week we got the news that SDR have been completed. Here is the link:
India Successfully Develops Next-Gen Software-Defined Naval Radios
That depends on the attitude of IAF officers. Navy also supervises its production. Yet, it works well
I do not think F-16 will be on table, perhaps F/A-18 for Navy !! or more P-8I
If Modi wins in 2019 he will do anything to get Trump for his 26 January parade and that means F 16 is back on the table
Trump will come for 26 January only if we buy something big
I have gone through F18's runway distance. It is about 400m. The runway on INS Vikrant is 200m. It will be difficult for F18 on Indian carrier without catapult.
P8I is not a big deal. I don't think India will be ordering 30-40 P8I planes!
Currently, Modi is inviting Trump to sign COMCASA deal on January 26
The Mk1A was fine as a Mig-21 replacement. Parrikar did not force anything in fact.
I know. You said "as good," so I pointed out it's "better."
If Modi wins in 2019 he will do anything to get Trump for his 26 January parade and that means F 16 is back on the table
Trump will come for 26 January only if we buy something big
No chance for the F-16. It's the least capable aircraft in the list. Won't even make it through the tech round. Even the Mk2 will be significantly superior.
The US has plenty of stuff that we can buy. Like the NASAMS. There's drones, lots of drones. Drones are more expensive than the F-16, especially after sales support.
Boeing is evaluating F/A-18 for ski jumping.
If it can then it increases the chances further
If it can then it increases the chances further
MK 1 A came into existence after this Govt was formed
This word "Mk 1 A" was never heard prior to 2014
It is Parrikar who saved the LCA when IAF
Had flatly refused to induct Mk1
Saying that it does not meet operational requirements
And the over riding concern while pushing MK 1A was that
How to save the LCA project from a loss of One decade because every body knew Mk 2
Would arrive after 2025
But once again we are faced with delays and uncertainties
I wonder how do IAF Force structure planners feel when such big numbers such as 40 Mk 1 , 83 Mk 1 A , 200 Mk 2 are thrown around so casually by DRDO
When they are simply unable to meet these challenges
It takes so much time to buy and make planes , anywhere in the world
Making any sort of future plans in such a scenario is such a nightmare
Mk1A came into existence after the Israelis offered their AESA radar for Jaguar and Tejas. Nothing to do with the Modi govt.
There is no problem with increasing production numbers. HAL has proven capability of doing that. They can further increase production of LCA to 27/year, which is the plan in fact.
The current production numbers has nothing to do with HAL. ADA and IAF are yet to approve the final design of the LCA. It becomes HAL's headache once FOC is done. Any delays after FOC would be HAL's fault.