LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions

halloweene said:
Look at the Rafale GTG's timeline. We signed in 2016, but the offsets program has still not started

Really? DRAL has started producing Falcon 2000 parts, MBDA is involved in many missile projects and of course SAfran in Kaveri.

now outdated engine tech

Really, check a program called Turenne2.
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Referring to projects that are yet to start through offsets that will directly benefit DRDO. None of them have started.
 
I do not know what France will sell you ( not give, states aren't like that). But Turenne1 for Kaveri, definitely. Main Kaveri issues were resonances, maintenance issues and not enough lifetime. Things that were to be fixed with Safran. The overall conception was good, but evil is in the details.
Turenne2 (and the Safran/MTU engine for NGF) will, if not iven, certainly used ot helm AMCA development.
 
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randomradio said:
So what you are saying is France will give us Turenne 2 for Kaveri, including the IPR, know-how and know-why?
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I think you will never have the know how for such hifh tech, only mastered by 4 country in the world (USA, russia, england, France. China will be the 5th.... after a whole R&D effort).
The know why.... interesting ! I think you will have some help from Safran about the "why", because you will be aware of the modifications Safran developped for Kaveri, and so why.
 
randomradio said:
So what you are saying is France will give us Turenne 2 for Kaveri, including the IPR, know-how and know-why?
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What are you on about? Are you confirming rumours that we are using the Safran M88 core( & abandoning the Kabini core) in K9 and that further iterations of the Kaveri like K10 onwards will feature further iterations of the M88? Is that what you're saying? Is this why Safran was hired as part of the offset?
 
randomradio said:
What if the Meteor is modernised with an Indian datalink and AESA seeker (being developed for Astra 2)?

If we buy Meteor, it will easily cross 1000 missiles, so modernisation will be justified. And since the seeker and datalink will be Indian, there will be no reason for MBDA to be bothered by any Israelis spying non-European tech.

@Picdelamirand-oil @A Person @Bon Plan
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Except the seeker and the data link, too sensible to give a possible access to russia or israel, why not giving you access to Meteor ? But you will have to fit a new seeker & dl. ie it's a new missile, with a lot of tests to be made.... ie a lot of €€€€ ....

Probably India will try to developp it's own LR missile. Even if it is heavier than Meteor, it will not be a pb for SU30. A Meteor like on Tejas is useless.
 
_Anonymous_ said:
What are you on about? Are you confirming rumours that we are using the Safran M88 core( & abandoning the Kabini core) in K9 and that further iterations of the Kaveri like K10 onwards will feature further iterations of the M88? Is that what you're saying? Is this why Safran was hired as part of the offset?
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Maybe Kabini will used M88 tech.... like last gen crystal blades...
 
randomradio said:
What if the Meteor is modernised with an Indian datalink and AESA seeker (being developed for Astra 2)?

If we buy Meteor, it will easily cross 1000 missiles, so modernisation will be justified. And since the seeker and datalink will be Indian, there will be no reason for MBDA to be bothered by any Israelis spying non-European tech.

@Picdelamirand-oil @A Person @Bon Plan
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Might as well make a completely Indian missile at that point.

The SFDR project is already demonstrating a Ramjet capability for AAM propulsion.
 
_Anonymous_ said:
What are you on about? Are you confirming rumours that we are using the Safran M88 core( & abandoning the Kabini core) in K9 and that further iterations of the Kaveri like K10 onwards will feature further iterations of the M88? Is that what you're saying? Is this why Safran was hired as part of the offset?
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Halloweene says a more advanced core will be used.
 
Parthu said:
Might as well make a completely Indian missile at that point.

The SFDR project is already demonstrating a Ramjet capability for AAM propulsion.
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SFDR will still take years, while Meteor costs would have come down with more international orders.
 
_Anonymous_ said:
So, it's 2007 all over again. Is this official? Or hearsay? What does it say about our indigenization efforts then?
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It says we need more PhD chaps in the IISc and IITs to do research on materials, instead of computer programming. If we are able to increase stipends, it can work. Or for example, if Bharat Forge and L&T decide to institute HIGH paying chairs in these institutes with decent pay for interns and research, it would go a long way.
 
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suryakiran said:
It says we need more PhD chaps in the IISc and IITs to do research on materials, instead of computer programming. If we are able to increase stipends, it can work. Or for example, if Bharat Forge and L&T decide to institute HIGH paying chairs in these institutes with decent pay for interns and research, it would go a long way.
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Bits Pilani , how's it going ,?
Asking just to know whether, company owned institute s are doing well to place students in good workplace.
 
Parthu said:
Indigenous AESA seeker will take many years as well.
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We have to wait for Astra Mk2. Once it's ready for flight tests, it means the seeker is ready too.

Plus any attempt to install a new seeker on the Meteor will be a pretty long process, but definitely shorter than SFDR. But the SFDR is necessary when Mk2 and MMRCA start production, so that these two jets can have fully indigenous weapons. The post-2025 induction date will give the SFDR plenty of time. But the Meteor is necessary for what we are currently flying or plan on flying, MKI and LCA Mk1A.

Apparently, the MRSAM's seeker is AESA as well.
 
randomradio said:
I don't know. I'm just going by what @halloweene is saying. His post #1437.
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Your opinions on the matter @vstol Jockey ? Is it true that we are abandoning the Kabini core in favour of an advanced iteration of the M88 in the K9 engine & that further iterations viz K10 onwards will be equipped with Safran cores viz more advanced iterations of the M88?

I find the news a bit upsetting. I was under the impression Safran was here to fine tune GTRE efforts not come up with a solution which the IAF discarded more than a decade ago? What does that say about our indigenization attempts? Have we finally given up on the notion of developing home grown turbofans / jets and be restricted to being co opted by a foreign OEM recycling their technology passing it of as our fruits of our own effort?
 
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Your opinions on the matter @vstol Jockey ? Is it true that we are abandoning the Kabini core in favour of an advanced iteration of the M88 in the K9 engine & that further iterations viz K10 onwards will be equipped with Safran cores viz more advanced iterations of the M88?

I find the news a bit upsetting. I was under the impression Safran was here to fine tune GTRE efforts not come up with a solution which the IAF discarded more than a decade ago? What does that say about our indigenization attempts? Have we finally given up on the notion of developing home grown turbofans / jets and be restricted to being co opted by a foreign OEM recycling their technology passing it of as our fruits of our own effort?
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As long as we get IPR, there is no problem.
 
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