Yeah, i feel befir 2023 a full-scale will happen with them. But who will? India or nuclear, only time will tell.
Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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The day Congress leadership & cadre starts asking questions to themselves how the fu(k did we end up in such situation where we had conflict with all our neighbours on international border issue. When they do that and come up with a genuine effort, we will have faith in their efforts automatically. Privilege and right comes with responsibility, some forget that too easily.
Man we can discuss about congress bjp for 1000 days, but this thread is not the right place to search righteousness of any particular party. I am.seeing congress as a political party run by indians, may be they are incapable, may be they will shit in pants etc etc but definitely not antinational the way others portray them. So, i will not question them on their right to question the goi on sensitive issues.
This is a defense forum, and this thread is about LAC developments, we were even replying to pakistani members & pakistani trollers here, then why we are denying a indian political party leadership to ask query? Do you think that INC is less important than a pakistani in indo china matters ( Dear pakistani memebers, dont misunderstand that you guys are less important to this forum, what i want to convey is that pakistan is not a party as of now atleast on public domain on LAC developments. Its India & China, so all indian political party is having more weigtage than pakistan in indo china conflicts ) They didn't ask IA, IN & IAF operational plans on LAC, they have asked what is happening there? 1.3 billion people are living in india and all are not reading strategic front forums to verify the authenticity of contradicting press reports. Its true that suspicion exiat among common men, and the goi is the right source to clarify that doubt and congress is just ask the goi to clear the cloud on lac developments.
atleast you agree they are incapable.
are they anti national? a party when in power loses 60k sq kms of the country
a party whose chief meets the chinese ambassador in the middle of doklam stand off
a party who gifted away UNSC seat to the chinese.
A party that did not clear the border agreement with BD for 70 years.
and the major pertinent point:
why wasnt the border infra improved all these years?
not antinational?
there is a strong perception about congress party right now. the anger is simmering. ask questions as Indian citizen - but then also ask congress why we are here. why wasnt the border infra improved until now? why did it require DBO to be activated due to an officer not seeking permission (the permission to re-open DBO was denied 5 times - the 6th time the IAF dint seek permission) - the activation of DBO airport was without permission of center.
at that rate, they would have lost DBO as well.
in my dictionary, these people have no right to live a free life in india (need to be behind bars).
coming to your point on the govt silence. the govt was silent during balakot, during Myanmar mission (barring one off tweets) even during Doklam. the results speak for themselves. the emotions have to be kept in check and cold calculations need to be made.
Holy crap !! Look how much we lost during Sonia gandhi rule from 2004-2014
One: Aksai Chin (37,244 square km) in 1962 during Congress regime.
Two: Tia Pangnak and Chabji Valley (250km) in Chumur area till 2008 during UPA time.
Three: Zorawar Fort in Demjok was destroyed by PLA in 2008 and setup PLA's Observing Point in 2012 during UPA regime and also created Chinese/new Demjok/Colony with 13 cemented houses.
Four: India lost Doom Cheley (ancient trade point) between Dungti and Demjok in 2008-2009 during UPA regime.
So, if IAF was conducting sortie near Karachi airspace, this means that Chinese shipments from Gwadar will be blocked too and for Chinese IOR will be locked. But there is no point in hurting eachother's economy so that some one else takes the advantage of this. India has an opportunity to begin a fresh start with sustainable industrialization and should utilize this intelligently. Pakistan is only relevant due to Afghanistan. Otherwise no one gives a damn.
It's almost word to word repetition of what I said a month ago.
Kind of also makes me worried that why it was not prevented in first place. For China to go back they will need something in return. There was no intent from political to military leadership to evict Chinese by force, we don't even claim the area where they sit even when our offical map goes beyond that and agree for them to stay there that too in military talks not political negotiations.
So what we will give them? I guess we'll never know. In the name of maturity and national interests it will be buried quietly, rest of the work will be done by the army of dumbs patrolling internet platforms for win.
What a waste of opportunity, myopic thinking will keep us like this forever.
Why no mention of Galwan valley. So, is there truth to the assertion that PLA will not discuss its intrusions in the galwan valley and the surrounding heights..? Because, even if there is no intrusion, there has been a buildup on the chinese side. So, deconfliction at Galwan valley should have been part of the agenda..
Hard truth is that we dont have a stomach for confrontation but we keep postponing it until to the point of no return. Historically it is the same way even western invasion took place in during middle ages. Its always a creeping invasion , slowly and steadily they will crawl until we get run over. We give some self satisfying reason or economy as scape goat we need to be pro-active rather than reactive, if we had moved forward and captured some area we could negotiate with china but now we need to deal on their terms. India will just let it go and after some time we will talk about it.
Exactly. We need small tactical stuff of high quality to gain upper hand in short and swift battles to get better negotiation power at the time of ceasefire. Possibly of conflict is higher than a full fledged war. We must be prepared for that.
BRO workers to leave for Ladakh - Times of India
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And here is a quote from Pravin Sawhney in yesterday's print article, saying, that all powerful chicoms have a veto over Indian construction in Ladakh.
"Once the pandemic gets over, 11 special trains would be commissioned to bring thousands of labourers for building operational roads close to the LAC. How will that help? For one, the PLA would only object to infrastructure building in Ladakh, and not on the rest of the LAC. Since India has changed the status quo of Ladakh on its maps, the PLA will object to any status quo change on the ground. So, expect these workers to toil in Arunachal Pradesh"
I, and many more like me, don't care and need not to defend either Congress or BJP or any other political party as my allegiance lies to Bharat and Bharat only, not some political party. There is a saying in our people in Hindi, "Is hamam me hum sab nange hai." So as for as my views are concerned, it's straight forward, all political parties are dirty in politics, some are just yet to reveal themselves. However everybody makes mistakes, and if their efforts are genuine, public will themselves acknowledge that. Congress wrong deeds are well known in public knowledge. So if they try to redempt themselves by dragging someone else name/work, public sees through these deceptions. That's not going to help them at all. They can ask as many questions as much they like, however seeing the claim they are making on loss of territory, it almost seems as if they want India to loose territory, just so that they can drag other party to their level. In this scenario their ludicrous claims don't warrant a reply. Government might give reply or might not, that's their call.
Again, right to ask questions comes with responsibility, if you're not responsible, you are not eligible to ask questions. Maoists, extremists, Naxalites, separatists, terrorists all might be citizens of this country, but their deeds are what prevents them from asking questions. Congress in current form doesn't have what it needs to ask genuine questions. They need to go back and do some soul searching what they lost since independence and then come up with positive resolutions. Then it will be us, the people who will decide if their views hold water or not. That's my view.
Hearing men & material being rushed in, don't know if it's just rumour.
There was supposed to be 2 star officer meet today.
There was supposed to be 2 star officer meet today.
India is doing what is should & must.
However, looks like China is hell bent on engaging in a conflict.
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China will not understand without getting beaten just one small skirmish Will be enough to keep them out for 20 yrs as the whole dynamics of border will be changed.
