What if both sides have Same Coloured Arctic Tents
These are imported stuff
Just like Both India and Pakistan bought
Equipment from same supplier before Siachen
Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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What if both sides have Same Coloured Arctic Tents
These are imported stuff
Just like Both India and Pakistan bought
Equipment from same supplier before Siachen
The previous governments were horrid, blatantly anti nation.
This government isn't. But that doesn't make them stellar. They're surely the better of the lot but that's a bit like choosing which pig is less filthy to wrestle with.
I do not believe for a moment that there was Intelligence failure. Heck, amateurs could see things with free maps and GoI couldn't? It was a failure of decision making. All the Jhula action between Modi and Xi made the former too trusting of his Chinese paramour. The decision making lobby was just hoping for the best, while having confidence to fool the nation.
Those technological dinosaurs forgot the world has moved on while they're still stuck in their old modes to hoodwink public. Now not a single of their obfuscations wrt China can pass with people tearing them apart. Now they're in catch 22, they banked on good luck and Modi-Xi chum chum chumma and didn't even acquire weapons to fight. Now that they're caught buck naked in the headlight fleeing from their lover's window, they're running off to send riot gear, to Russia to get weapons.
If that's not short sightedness, what is?
Yes. They always lower the specs for export. It has been their policy right from the days of USSR.
No change needed.
Yes, everything we import from Russia is heavily downgraded.
In missiles, the seeker, propulsion system and fuel are different. As is the software. In radars, some modes are locked or simply not available, the range and resolution are lower. Sometimes even the internal electronics are different, with inferior TWT, inferior processing etc. All electronics are more or less inferior as well, except for COTS. These are basically the most important reasons why Western systems are superior to Russian exports.
With battle tanks as well, the engine, armour, gun, barrel, shells etc are all significantly inferior to what the Russian Army uses. At least half a generation behind.
But at the same time, with the downgrades, even the cost comes down, which makes them competitive.
India does get some leeway, especially when we pay for the development ourselves and is not used by Russian forces themselves, like the Su-30, when it was introduced. But if there's something being used by the Russian forces that we need, then you can only get a downgraded export model. They like to keep their secrets.
The Americans downgrade a lot of stuff as well, like the P-8I is downgraded, with some hardware removed, some software restricted. The Abrams also comes with downgraded armour and firepower, but that's because they don't want to export their DU-related stuff.
China is apparently the worst. At least America and Russia downgrade what they already operate. The Chinese make entirely new stuff for exports instead, and those are generally very bad even when compared to Russian stuff.
If the Russians have integrated new missiles with the Su-30SM, then it won't be a problem. Practically the same thing.
If they have done it on the Su-35, then there will be some minor tweaking necessary.
If they have done it on the PAK FA only, then it needs a lot of work.
But you can expect the Russians to have worked it out for the Flankers already, since they operate hundreds of them now and obviously need increased firepower. Even their security situation isn't all that good.
What about Rafale
Our Mirage 2000 I and Mig 29 UPG after Upgradation
Were called as the Best versions of themselves
And in case of Su 30 upgradation , why cannot we install whatever latest is available
News reports say the Chinese have already withdrawn to rear areas in Galwan.
I think French sell the top stuff, same as french forces use.
That's the most attractive about french stuff at a higher price! @Picdelamirand-oil
@Bon Plan
But for that there has to be some initiative from both side. Chinese will protect their roads and Indians will do the same. Advantage for India is, they have heights and sitting in Mountain and can concentrate all resource at one sector more efficiently than Chinese.
Where as China is open in the plateau and have to repeatedly create stations to support the troops.
“If chess is about decisive battle, wei qui is about a protracted campaign and ‘strategic encirclement’ where opponents seek to occupy empty spaces and then surround and capture opposing pieces. While chess encourages single-mindedness, wei-qui generates guile and strategic flexibility.”
I have said several times, it's not just about Ladakh only, the strategic game is also on. India and China will also clash in 2nd and 3rd world countries too. It's a new world order in formation. The weight is again shifting toward Asia like ancient times.
You're forgetting the most important bit. India will have to be willing to fight for all this to happen.
I don't see the deluge of sinophobic content, or statements that should flood media to prepare public for any war. I see only limp noodle statements that is as passive as possible wrt China and a scampering GOI to buy shit they should have 5 summers ago.
Does any of that show any intention to fight?
Positions shown in this piture makes most sense. Indian positions in other side of Galwan river with supply lines open, facing chinese positions in the other side of river.
If Ajay Shukla cannot convince the people that Modi has "failed " ; he will loose Lakhs of Rupees in Payments from Congress
It will be a Kick on his Stomach
AJay Shukla's claim of 1.5 KM incursion in Galwan valley is a joke. Only idiots will belive that. If you consider Chinese vehicle "X" lenth, the distance Chinese intruded is "8X"
So according to Shukla's scale, a Chinese vehicle is 1,500/8 = 187 meters long..
Even if those Chinese vehicle is 10 Meters long, At best Chinese incursion in Galwan valley is 80 Meters
That is a good position.
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