Thats between Finger 4 and 5 it seems. They have road untill finger 4 for decades and vehicles cannot cross beyond finger 4 from Chinese side.
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Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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Thats between Finger 4 and 5 it seems. They have road untill finger 4 for decades and vehicles cannot cross beyond finger 4 from Chinese side.
China’s Strategic Assessment of the Ladakh Clash - War on the Rocks
In early May, Chinese and Indian troops confronted each other along their remote, disputed border in the Himalayas. For 40 days, the two sides engaged in
warontherocks.com
An interesting article from across
I'm not sure to what extent the French downgrade stuff. Making an export model is quite expensive, so they instead put software locks on it instead and then sell the unlocks as upgrades after some time has passed. The Americans do the same, as do other Europeans. In the meantime, the captive forces would have received more advanced upgrades.
Some electronics are downgraded, like the French use RDY-2 radar for the M2000, whereas what we operate is the downgraded RDY-3. The Rafale may have some downgrades as well.
Both aircraft are more advanced than their captive counterparts, but that has more to do with the amount of time that has elapsed since their previous major upgrades. The French and Russians will make more advanced versions based on our upgrade model for themselves, if they are actually going for the upgrades.
When it comes to Mig-21 Bison, MKI, T-90 etc, we are paying them to develop new technologies for us or developing our own stuff, independent from what the Russian forces use in order to prevent ridiculous downgrades. In other cases, we are hiring the Israelis to upgrade older Russian hardware in order to keep it more advanced, like the M-36 gun upgrade and the AESA radar upgrade for the Shilka.
We can. A whole host of weapons have been introduced on it, including two foreign weapons, ASRAAM and Spice. The IAF became lethargic when it comes to the BVR missile, that's all, otherwise they were looking at both Meteor and I-Derby ER as our future BVR options. The Russian BVR option will be inferior to both due to the downgrades.
Even existing electronics have been seeing consistent upgrades, EW suite, mission computer, comm systems etc. Only the Russian supplied systems are pending significant upgrades, like the AESA radar upgrade and new IRST.
Almost the entire electronics suite of the MKI MLU will be Indian. The cockpit design is also Indian.
Well if you see when modi came to power he also tried to make peace with the Pakistanis but when the situation remaine same the GoI took an extremely anti Pakistani stance. Now in case of China the Chinese do not try to play a clear anti Indian narrative unlike Pakistan and the border arrangement is such that chances of kinetic war is reduced and it's just border management. Now the Chinese have actually faced a failure during doklam and so this time they wanted to up the ante. The situation has changed and escalated rapidly to which the GoI has adapted quite swiftly in my opinion. I would partially agree of not taking a more proactive stance on equipping the armed forces with more riot gears post Doklam considering the Chinese felt that they could exploit no firearms rule. The failure of handling the border situation seems more to be created by the media than actually happening on ground. Also you couldn't suddenly shift your entire arms line to indigenous manufacturers in under 6 years. The UPA regime was effectively de-arming our military to make it easier for invasion. Now a lot of weapons are indigenous so stop seeing the glass half empty. A majority of our weapons are Russian so there is nothing wrong for the defence minister to go to Russia. We should not waste time in acting like Chinese and be obsessed with face saving. Defense of our territory should be are priority and desperation shown in these regards according to me is fine. It's better that our political class actually show desperation rather than our armed forces. The lack of desperation by the political class in the initial stages of 1962 is what led to us getting our asses kicked. We should know our weaknesses.
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So why is it 'nations fault' for politicising national security when things go wrong, and BJP's a achievement something goes right?
When Kargil happened ,I was a bit older than you and knows a lot at that time.
Including one SF nearer to our area who was martyred .
Nepal?
Nepal is not our enemy.
Dont know why some people are too emotional.
That people sacrificed a lots for us
Yeah, Anti Nepal rhetoric is really need to tone down. Just few days before, arounf 1,500 Nepali soldiers returned for duty after leaves cancelled for deployment in Chinese border.
Despite being a Captive of his own rhetoric and false image , not sure why he chose to not use nationalism and armed forces against a weaker opponent and instead opted to invite ISI to visit phatonkot base who are the planners of that terror attack ? Despite such reach out to a weaker opponent , him responding to a grave provocation like Uri/pulwama is for political gains and usage of nationalism . Slow claps to your secular analysis
If you go back few pages, I wrote about talking about military issues with an apolitical point of view.
Surgical Strike & Airstrike both were politicised beyond limits & I don't support that.
I remember seeing Abhinandan's image during political rallies, like really??
Now, I am not questioning any one over asking questions to government, this is a democracy, therefore, that ought to happen.
I for one believe that all political parties are controlled by people who are first a politician and then anything else, so the only thing that matters for them is elections.
Right or Wrong, the party at centre will be held responsible.
BUT, timing! Now is not the time for criticism. There will be ample time to do so after this crap ends.
Wait for a conclusion instead of jumping to an imaginary conclusion.
That is all I meant with that post.
Not sure whether you are looking for a advisor role to rahul gandhi , Incase if you are , Just keep in mind that even he wont agree with the idea you have come up with .
Not sure whether you are expecting modi to come with an AK-47 to the media and provide a detailed action plan on how he is gonna tackle china . If you are not expecting the above the below link can help your understand the intentions both the government and IA
After bloodshed, Army engineers toil 72 hours to finish Galwan bridge that triggered China
Just hours after the brutal June 15 night brawl in the Galwan Valley, Indian Army's combat engineers received orders to leave no stone unturned to accelerate and finish the construction of a bridge over the Galwan River.
In this Saurav Jha has been extremely unreliable it's better if he is ignored. He is continuously making incoherent claims since the start of the galwan drama. Ajai Shukla is more credible than him right now...
Not sure whether you are expecting modi to come with an AK-47 to the media and provide a detailed action plan on how he is gonna tackle china . If you are not expecting the above the below link can help your understand the intentions both the government and IA
After bloodshed, Army engineers toil 72 hours to finish Galwan bridge that triggered China
Just hours after the brutal June 15 night brawl in the Galwan Valley, Indian Army's combat engineers received orders to leave no stone unturned to accelerate and finish the construction of a bridge over the Galwan River.www.indiatoday.in
If the GoI actually decides to take action does anyone expect this bridge to survive the first few days?
DBO itself is just 17 kms from LAC so how can anyone intrude 18kms?
The article doesn't claim what S Jha is claiming. Wonder why's he being alarmist?
I seriously can't comment on NDA-1s Pakistan love because in 2013, neither had I voting rights, nor was I interested in politics/affairs of the nation. But, what I say very clearly that this isn't the first Pathankot style watershed moment the Chinese gave Modi, they did it in earlier in 2017, Doklam. He should have got the memo then.
Sure, I can agree that it'll take time to indegenise weapon industry. But, what sticks in my craw is that these same missiles could have been bought from Russia far earlier. We already got a thorny situation vis-a-vis Pakistan last year. We could have even got to Russia as late as May! What would you have done if Russia refused to sell these? Run to US and France for missiles that might not have been integrated yet for Russian fighters?
I agree that the political classes should show desperation rather than military. But I also know that the military is being tied and kept in a dark room by them. They could have stopped the Chinese long ago, but the political class wouldn't allow it.
What idea? Attacking Nepal? I'm case you didn't catch my drift, I'm saying the exact opposite. What I'm saying is, if the current government's idea turns out to be punishing Nepal (because we can) instead of China, that's just awful.
No, I'm expecting GoI to start the social engineering needed for a war. Readying army is one thing, which they've been...lacking at times. Why the heck did they run to Russia now instead of two summers ago for missiles?Not sure whether you are expecting modi to come with an AK-47 to the media and provide a detailed action plan on how he is gonna tackle china . If you are not expecting the above the below link can help your understand the intentions both the government and IA
After bloodshed, Army engineers toil 72 hours to finish Galwan bridge that triggered China
Just hours after the brutal June 15 night brawl in the Galwan Valley, Indian Army's combat engineers received orders to leave no stone unturned to accelerate and finish the construction of a bridge over the Galwan River.
Another bit is to ready public. You'd know when we're gearing up to go to war. It'll start by demonising the enemy. It needs to be done. Our target needs to be public enemy #1 and absolutely vile pieces of crap that are coming for everything we own. Ergo, we would need propaganda. It's an unavoidable bit.
Second is declaration of intention. We're here on a defence forum, we can see the step GoI is taking. But for common public they need to hear the leaders say outright they'll be teaching China a lesson or something. They'll need to keep this up for a while and manufacture outrage, not absolve them of wrong doing like they didn't come inside LAC.
No, I don't expect him to come with an AK 47 and tell us battle plans. I expect him to say we'll be battling, and the Chinese are scum on earth that needs to be taken out.