Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

[screambowl]

My only take is, in the conflict of India and China the winner will be some one else. And Chinese know that as well, but still if they are not able to comprehend the situation or still want to act like a bully then they need to be taught a lesson that because of their greed they have ruined themselves and the region as well. And what Indians have to learn is, that they should not go on the footsteps of Prithviraj Chauhan. Indians are getting shrinked both in area and in thought.

So many years, you have not developed any credible land or air system for weapon platform which can be of use for immediate deployment or on which you can rely on. Neither the artillery guns, nor the aircrafts nor any AAM or SAM system which you can say it's sufficient for the adversary.

I have read so many threads here but there is no single product which Indian armed forces can rely upon and which is manufactured in India. Most of them are undergoing trials past 4 yugs. If you want to keep them for trials only, without manufacturing in ample quantities then it's better not to waste money on such trials either. 100% of Indian R&D and manufacturing doesn't go beyond trials. And then people like Rajnath have to run to moscow to get equipments.

Neither electronics, nor aerodynamics nor cyber , not even naval, is there any area where you have built all by yourself? 14 IIT's 99% cutoff list in DU, IISc, what's the point?

When your own satellites are not able to detect intrusion on time, it's better not to send them at all.

70 years se so rahey hai sab!! There are many Indian who are talented but why to waste talent on this society where no one cares. Otherwise good minds would have not left India and worked in Boeing or Northrop or Raytheon.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

People are just talking too much on all internet platforms WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING the Terrain

Chinese build up DOES NOT MEAN
that they are going to steam roll India

Their Build up is countered by our Build up

If victory was so certain , they would have started firing by now

Did they take anyone's permission before their Crackdown in Tibet
Hongkong and Xinjiang

 

[randomradio]

Really ? So all these time Chinese nibbling away our territories successfully has resulted in millions of deaths ?

How is "our" territory Tibet?

I think you should go to war with China on your own in Tibet?

 

[hellbent]

@randomradio

I forgot to mention in my last reply

Why did lakhs of Indians died in WW1 and WW2 ?

It was not our war

Yet millions of Indians were sent to their deaths

And nobody had a problem , not even the ahimsa pujari gandi and chachu

Why the hesitation now when it comes to defending our motherland now with foreboding of millions of death

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

How is "our" territory Tibet?

I think you should go to war with China on your own in Tibet?

If these internet warriors are sent to Galwan valley , their first remark will be

Why are we even here in this God Forsaken barren land

Whatever can be defended NOW and Today will be defended

What was lost in the past was our bad luck and weaknesses

 

[hellbent]

How is "our" territory Tibet?

I think you should go to war with China on your own in Tibet?

What the hell you even talking about ?

Forget it

I am out of this

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Why did lakhs of Indians died in WW1 and WW2 ?

It was not our war

Yet millions of Indians were sent to their deaths

They were employees of British Empire

Their families received salaries

Only Other option for them was
Starvation here in India

 

[Sunnylol]

Really ? So all these time Chinese nibbling away our territories successfully has resulted in millions of deaths ? They will do so till they one day reach our home and yet you will cower at the risk of million of deaths till then .

Cowards have millions of excuses and ironically they believe it .

I am not falcon , so I suggest you ask his opinion on the matter than assuming on his part.

I did have some discussions with him in other forum

Anyways what I proposed is not even a limited war but a long drawn plan to arm and prepare ourselves over a long period of time , prep Tibet for unconventional conflict , and then at the opportune time retake Tibet

We cannot indulge in series of wars over a period of time it will bog us down economically , militarily , geopolitically etc , we must execute a single war which must be prepared for a complete take over of Tibet . We must break geographical continuity with China at all costs , otherwise we will get attacked again and again.

There cannot be 2 swords in a sheath. There cannot be peaceful coexistence between 2 powerful nations , well actually one nation which is powerful in dreams and lectures only and one which is actually powerful.

To check nibbling you counter nibble and don't INVADE. China could have invaded if that was so easy, they aren't even though they are way more powerful. There is wisdom to nibbling, to invading none! Strategy 101: Wage war only when you are reasonably confident of the outcome if not prepare and bide time. Pakistan is an absolute case study in what happens when you poorly plan invasions. It couldn't even get the better of an enemy quite nonchalant about defence and here you are wanting us to wage war against China, which has converted its economic power to military might like none before. Spitting fire doesn't make you brave. Just saying. India can barely defend itself in the northern front against China in a 2 front situation and you want us to go on the offensive. LOL. Pakistan would just walk into Kashmir almost unopposed in that case. The first thing China will do in case we invade Tibet is cripple our strategic and tactical assets with missiles and then we will be fair game for Pakistan. In case you want to still stick with your BOLD plans please war game it for us here! We want to have a good laugh anyway!
Thank you!

 

[hellbent]

If these internet warriors are sent to Galwan valley , their first remark will be

Why are we even here in this God Forsaken barren land

Whatever can be defended NOW and Today will be defended

What was lost in the past was our bad luck and weaknesses

The privilege of " internet warrior " is both ways , have no doubts over it

What was lost is lost , and ironically losing till date and most probably till future .

Enough said

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

The privilege of " internet warrior " is both ways , have no doubts over it

What was lost is lost , and ironically losing till date and most probably till future .

Enough said

Let me put it out as clearly as I can

What I have observed and learnt from my interaction with people is that China is not on their minds

It is the economy and the pandemic which is bothering the people

Rushing into a war is not what the people of India will love or enjoy or appreciate

 

[hellbent]

To check nibbling you counter nibble and don't INVADE. China could have invaded if that was so easy, they aren't even though they are way more powerful. There is wisdom to nibbling, to invading none! Strategy 101: Wage war only when you are reasonably confident of the outcome if not prepare and bide time. Pakistan is an absolute case study in what happens when you poorly plan invasions. It couldn't even get the better of an enemy quite nonchalant about defence and here you are wanting us to wage war against China, which has converted its economic power to military might like none before. Spitting fire doesn't make you brave. Just saying. India can barely defend itself in the northern front against China in a 2 front situation and you want us to go on the offensive. LOL. Pakistan would just walk into Kashmir almost unopposed in that case. The first thing China will do in case we invade Tibet is cripple our strategic and tactical assets with missiles and then we will be fair game for Pakistan. In case you want to still stick with your BOLD plans to please war game it for us here! We want to have a good laugh anyway!
thank you!

Understand what I wrote first and go though my previous posts since 2 weeks

India can barely manage pakistan and do you think I am stupid enough or rather consider you stupid enough to interpret that I want to engage china without being 100% sure of it

I am no gung ho , I am talking over a long drawn plan where all eventualities are catered for .

And discussions on forum etc is for wannabes like you and me etc , I hold no delusion on it neither should you .

And so the jokes equally on you too

Enjoy the laugh

 

[hellbent]

Let me put it out as clearly as I can

What I have observed and learnt from my interaction with people is that China is not on their minds

It is the economy and the pandemic which is bothering the people

Rushing into a war is not what the people of India will love or enjoy or appreciate

As I said read before jumping to conclusions

I said what you wrote now in my previous posts

When I said " prepare for war " I meant 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 5 to 10 years if required

Take as much time and as much preperation it requires , and then strike once and for all. The geographical continuity must be severed

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

As I said read before jumping to conclusions

I said what you wrote now in my previous posts

When I said " prepare for war " I meant 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 5 to 10 years if required

Take as much time and as much preperation it requires , and then strike once and for all. The geographical continuity must be severed

We can plan for the future after we have faced the PRESENT challenge successfully and in a way where it does LEAST DAMAGE to India

 

[Sunnylol]

Understand what I wrote first and go though my previous posts since 2 weeks

India can barely manage pakistan and do you think I am stupid enough or rather consider you stupid enough to interpret that I want to engage china without being 100% sure of it

I am no gung ho , I am talking over a long drawn plan where all eventualities are catered for .

And discussions on forum etc is for wannabes like you and me etc , I hold no delusion on it neither should you .

And so the jokes equally on you too

Enjoy the laugh

If preparations are what you mean and are ready to wait, I think this government is doing adequately to upgrade defences, personally I would like to see an increase in budget though.

 

[hellbent]

We can plan for the future after we have faced the PRESENT challenge successfully and in a way where it does LEAST DAMAGE to India

Seriously ?

You assumed that I was talking about future course of action without factoring in and securing current challenges concurrently or one after another as the need be ?

SMH

If preparations are what you mean and are ready to wait, I think this government is doing adequately to upgrade defences, personally I would like to see an increase in budget though.

Unfortunately governments have fixed tenure and that creates problems if another government comes into power , one reason why the current mess .

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Territory Does NOT go anywhere

We will reclaim everything from China

But we need to prioritize

HAJI PEER OR PANGONG TSO


What should be our First focus

 

[shaxm]

HAJI PEER OR PANGONG TSO


What should be our First focus

Beijing.That should be our first and last focus.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Beijing.That should be our first and last focus.

Sir that is only possible if Lord Vishnu takes Another Avatar

Really ?

Other option was to fight against the colonials to free the country

But so calked ahimsawadi leaders wanted to continue receiving patronage from their masters.

India got freedom because one guy finally grew the balls to challenge them militarily . It's another matter our manipulated history propaganda says otherwise.

I think we should not derail this thread

If you want to discuss our freedom struggle , please open another thread

 

[randomradio]

My only take is, in the conflict of India and China the winner will be some one else. And Chinese know that as well, but still if they are not able to comprehend the situation or still want to act like a bully then they need to be taught a lesson that because of their greed they have ruined themselves and the region as well. And what Indians have to learn is, that they should not go on the footsteps of Prithviraj Chauhan. Indians are getting shrinked both in area and in thought.

So many years, you have not developed any credible land or air system for weapon platform which can be of use for immediate deployment or on which you can rely on. Neither the artillery guns, nor the aircrafts nor any AAM or SAM system which you can say it's sufficient for the adversary.

I have read so many threads here but there is no single product which Indian armed forces can rely upon and which is manufactured in India. Most of them are undergoing trials past 4 yugs. If you want to keep them for trials only, without manufacturing in ample quantities then it's better not to waste money on such trials either. 100% of Indian R&D and manufacturing doesn't go beyond trials. And then people like Rajnath have to run to moscow to get equipments.

Neither electronics, nor aerodynamics nor cyber , not even naval, is there any area where you have built all by yourself? 14 IIT's 99% cutoff list in DU, IISc, what's the point?

When your own satellites are not able to detect intrusion on time, it's better not to send them at all.

70 years se so rahey hai sab!! There are many Indian who are talented but why to waste talent on this society where no one cares. Otherwise good minds would have not left India and worked in Boeing or Northrop or Raytheon.

We have most of what you think we don't have. It's just that procuring everything needed takes time and money. And the difference between India and China is, the Chinese started procuring advanced stuff when their economy was about our size today. Purely when comparing economies, we are in a much better place than they were when they were our size.

In fact, they didn't have anything that could actually threaten us at that point in time. However in just 3 years we will have everything we need in order to almost guarantee superiority over them with just our current levels of spending.

DRDO has been experiencing reverse brain drain since a decade, which is why they are delivering now.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

We have most of what you think we don't have. It's just that procuring everything needed takes time and money. And the difference between India and China is, the Chinese started procuring advanced stuff when their economy was about our size today. Purely when comparing economies, we are in a much better place than they were when they were our size.

In fact, they didn't have anything that could actually threaten us at that point in time. However in just 3 years we will have everything we need in order to almost guarantee superiority over them with just our current levels of spending.

DRDO has been experiencing reverse brain drain since a decade, which is why they are delivering now.

I think the Govt also is Focussed on POK

And it does not want to be distracted by
Pangong Tso

POK is the Bigger Prize

Against China , first we need a strong
Alliance in place before initiating Kinetic Action