This thought process is so bizarre that it has made us impotent. A lot of people hold this belief that we shouldn't fight the Chinese because the Americans will profit from it. The reality Americans are already on the top. Taking American assistance to fight the Chinese isn't a bad idea. We are a third world country. We are below Iran in most development standards a country that has been sanctioned for the last 40 years. By not taking our present enemies seriously it's the future of India that is being threatened. This process of being non-aligned had led us becoming puppets of the USSR and so if anybody thinks that we might threaten the asian century by fighting the Chinese and siding with the Americans so be it. Our strategic goals are better served by aligning with the Americans. The problem here is that half of the American ecosystem is now controlled by the Chinese. So if Joe Biden or any of the democrats comes to power we can be sure that we are alone in fighting China because they will smoothly give the Chinese the crown of the global hegemon.My only take is, in the conflict of India and China the winner will be some one else
Really ? So all these time Chinese nibbling away our territories successfully has resulted in millions of deaths ? They will do so till they one day reach our home and yet you will cower at the risk of million of deaths till then .
Cowards have millions of excuses and ironically they believe it .
But so calked ahimsawadi leaders wanted to continue receiving patronage from their masters.
I think the Govt also is Focussed on POK
And it does not want to be distracted by
Pangong Tso
POK is the Bigger Prize
Against China , first we need a strong
Alliance in place before initiating Kinetic Action
So, what you're saying is that within 3 years , we'd have everything we want & then we can safely take on the Chinese. If push comes to shove we can take on the Pakistanis too. In other words by 2022-23 we'd be prepared to fight a two front war, isn't it? Any particular reason for your optimism?We have most of what you think we don't have. It's just that procuring everything needed takes time and money. And the difference between India and China is, the Chinese started procuring advanced stuff when their economy was about our size today. Purely when comparing economies, we are in a much better place than they were when they were our size.
In fact, they didn't have anything that could actually threaten us at that point in time. However in just 3 years we will have everything we need in order to almost guarantee superiority over them with just our current levels of spending.
DRDO has been experiencing reverse brain drain since a decade, which is why they are delivering now.
In other words, unkil, we must emulate the Chinese. Keep our silence till we've eradicated the problem of literacy, hunger, etc & then send our children to their death for that very same barren piece of land we ought not to be fighting for now.'Nationalist', who want to spill blood of millions of indians for some small piece of uninhabitable land. For what ? Some made up definition of 'izzat'.
If only they had the same vigour to uplift ~20% of indians still living in extreme poverty.
Remember Chinese nationalists had the foresight to keep quiet till they eradicated the 'three times meal and basic education' problem.
We have discussed it a lot here but here some of the reasons:So, what you're saying is that within 3 years , we'd have everything we want & then we can safely take on the Chinese. If push comes to shove we can take on the Pakistanis too. In other by 2022-23 we'd be prepared to fight a two front war, isn't it? Any particular reason for your optimism?
1. Completion of Border infrastructure along LACWe have discussed it a lot here but here some of the reasons:
I really never took the pain to understand the map in this conflict in details but one of my friends who went to great lengths to study the maps and even used commercial satellite imagery access( university subscription ) has been telling me the same for almost 2.5 weeks now. I just nodded along but seeing a few others come to this conclusion, I am seriously considering this possibility but would like to wait and watch!
This is what I call putting the cart before the horse. What was China in 1949 and 1980s when they opened up their economy? They first unified all the lands they thought were theirs historically and once they became strong, they went after poverty and bulding a strong economy. Take the case of Vietnam and Koreas. Did they not fight wars even in extreme poverty? Take the case of Chandragut Maurya and others. They all first built a strong foundation with strong militaries and after that economic properity followed.'Nationalist', who want to spill blood of millions of indians for some small piece of uninhabitable land. For what ? Some made up definition of 'izzat'.
If only they had the same vigour to uplift ~20% of indians still living in extreme poverty.
Remember Chinese nationalists had the foresight to keep quiet till they eradicated the 'three times meal and basic education' problem.
Let's not get into discussing 1962, it had other major reasons for the defeat, mainly assessment, strategy, planning and leadership. We had a better Air Force but did not use it. What can I say? We know who was at the helm. With the above-mentioned points what I am trying to convey is we can stalemate them, pretty much in a 2 front war.1. Completion of Border infrastructure along LAC
Welcome move but back in 1962 both our nations lacked any infrastructure. That didn't prevent the Chinese from attacking or winning.
2. Completion of the building of blast pens along LOC
It's the LoC. Not the LAC. Even if it were the LAC, it would provide us with an advantage, just not the overwhelming kind .
3. Complete induction of Rafale.
Important advantage. Not of the overwhelming kind.
4 Induction of S-400.
They have it too.
5. Induction of Agni V.
Important for N blackmail. I doubt we'd get that far.
6. Increased squadron strength.
Marginal increase. It'd be of Rafale & all the squadrons of Tejas Mk -1.
7. Jets equipped with better air to air missiles.
Ok. If you say so.
We can grind them down to a halt even now & fight a war of attrition. Remember, we are a status quoist power. We don't hanker for land the way the HAN do. If we can ensure we don't lose a single mm of our land for now , the Han loses for his objective isn't met. We don't need to wait for another 2-3 years to achieve this.Let's not get into discussing 1962, it had other major reasons for the defeat, mainly assessment, strategy, planning and leadership. We had a better Air Force but did not use it. What can I say? We know who was at the helm. With the above-mentioned points what I am trying to convey is we can stalemate them, pretty much in a 2 front war.
This thought process is so bizarre that it has made us impotent. A lot of people hold this belief that we shouldn't fight the Chinese because the Americans will profit from it
If people are saying that we will become slaves to American foreign policy I don't think it's a bad idea. Just think most of the global supply chain will be India centric our military will fight foreign wars for Western interest the best part is our interests our secured the amount of technological and tactical experience of the American MIC's will trickle down to India industries.
Chinese created a diversion in Galwan Valley and Depsang but they bult permanent fortifications in F4. Their main aim is Chusul and Chumar. For that they must mover forward on Pangong Tso and spanggor Tso. They are doing exactly that.
We have most of what you think we don't have. It's just that procuring everything needed takes time and money.