Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

[vstol Jockey]

That's what @hellbent wanted, a full invasion of Tibet. And that's what @Tatvamasi replied to. So the context was lost in your reply to him.

OK. We do have the capability to librate whole of Tibet but than it might invite nuke retalaition also. If we have BMD in place, we can do that.
BTW, Maj. Gen. GD Bakshi today stated that Chinese lost 46 soldiers on 15-16th night and some more died later in hospital. Another 115 died in the landslide which included a large number of construction workers and many soldiers. This shows why there was total chaos in WTC after this incident.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

OK. We do have the capability to librate whole of Tibet but than it might invite nuke retalaition also. If we have BMD in place, we can do that.
BTW, Maj. Gen. GD Bakshi today stated that Chinese lost 46 soldiers on 15-16th night and some more died later in hospital. Another 115 died in the landslide which included a large number of construction workers and many soldiers. This shows why there was total chaos in WTC after this incident.

Sir the only way to put some sense in
The Chinese brain is to kill.a.large
Number of their soldiers

For authoritarian regimes their strength
Lies in their armies

But they can only accept a certain number of casualties

Just like Pakistan in Kargil was forced to
Withdraw when losses became unsustainable

Chinese must have wargamed their
Casualties.

That is why they are still not firing on us

 

[_Anonymous_]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1275353117693894657

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[screambowl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1276839300886396928

I don't understand what they report, as if India did not have them placed earlier?

The production of indigenous missiles shouldn't be a problem. For example, we have the ability to produce over 1000 Akash missiles per year, peacetime.

Production and supply of foreign missiles will also not be a problem, but it will be expensive. The only solution to that is to develop our own, like Astra Mk2. Some companies like MBDA want to manufacture missiles in India.

The numbers you are expecting is something out of WW2, where countries produced thousands of planes every year.

But as you mentioned on other thread that Chinese have upper hand in BVR engagement, with their MKK fitted with PL15 and India has not yet maintained equal or superior counter to that. And PL 15 is considered to be more superior than aim 120 what PAF fired on IAF.
You obviously can't tell Chinese that come after 3 years when you have Rafael? So now what's the solution?

We had a good edge over PAF could/did we maintain it? NO. These things are non-linear. Both our adversaries have reached saturation in defence acquisition in the short term and neither have any upcoming major inductions. We have a huge room for upgradation because we practically wasted away 10 years. Whenever your base is low there is more room for growth

Point is you need it now not after 4-5 years which is average time for India to upgrade their defence systems. The things are escalating now amid covid19.

You assumption is that conflict lasting long enough. From what we have seen, modern conflicts are getting shorter and more intense. Add to that geography of the region. This kind of scenario made sense in world war 2 kind of conflicts which lasted for years. To replenish stocks, manufacturing which takes months will likely be of little use in a conflict that will last just weeks.

My only point is, qty matters because it might become 2.0 front. In that case you need quantity as well to cover IB with Pak, LOC and LAC.

 

[Golden_Rule]

OK. We do have the capability to librate whole of Tibet but than it might invite nuke retalaition also. If we have BMD in place, we can do that.
BTW, Maj. Gen. GD Bakshi today stated that Chinese lost 46 soldiers on 15-16th night and some more died later in hospital. Another 115 died in the landslide which included a large number of construction workers and many soldiers. This shows why there was total chaos in WTC after this incident.

I think that in order to liberate Tibet, we will have to force China open up several fronts - wit US in SCS and with Taiwan, Japan and South Korea.

The biggest blow should be to the Chinese economy in terms of US forfeiting and declaring theme as invalid - the treasury bonds serial numbers held by China as a compensation towards the damage caused by the Chinese Virus to the US. European countries should also jump in.

Thad would cause total dismemberment of China and Pakistan.

 

[randomradio]

But as you mentioned on other thread that Chinese have upper hand in BVR engagement, with their MKK fitted with PL15 and India has not yet maintained equal or superior counter to that. And PL 15 is considered to be more superior than aim 120 what PAF fired on IAF.
You obviously can't tell Chinese that come after 3 years when you have Rafael? So now what's the solution?

They have the missile advantage, but we have the force multiplier advantage, along with superior manpower and basing. Combat isn't as simple as who has the longest stick, you also need tactics, training, logistics, reinforcements, reserves etc. For example, a 100Km range at 12Km altitude, will do no more than 20Km at sea level, so how to bring the fight to our terms. Radars can be jammed. Aircraft can be hidden using ECM in order to get closer for a missile launch, lure enemy jets into your SAM sites etc.

 

[screambowl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1275353117693894657

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This Unjhawala doesn't know that China also supplies goods on credit. Some importers get the shipment on credit and some on debit. Not only India but there is lot's payment to China pending due to shipment on credit and not yet paid by the importers.

Awein defence expert banjatey hai unjhawala types.

 

[randomradio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1275353117693894657

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He is wrong. By not releasing the goods, the govt is protecting the retailers. The retailers can sell other phones instead. Worst case for them is nobody may end up buying their Chinese goods.

The goods stuck at customs belong to the Chinese companies. They can only make a profit if they sell it first. But if the retailers do not get their hands on goods to sell, then it's the Chinese who are stuck. I don't think the goods are prepaid by Indian retailers.

 

[_Anonymous_]

He is wrong. By not releasing the goods, the govt is protecting the retailers. The retailers can sell other phones instead. Worst case for them is nobody may end up buying their Chinese goods.

The goods stuck at customs belong to the Chinese companies. They can only make a profit if they sell it first. But if the retailers do not get their hands on goods to sell, then it's the Chinese who are stuck. I don't think the goods are prepaid by Indian retailers.

We don't know anything about the contents. None of us do. That didn't prevent screambowl from commenting. It never does. You're in August company.

 

[shaxm]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1276916402012565504

 

[screambowl]

We don't know anything about the contents. None of us do. That didn't prevent screambowl from commenting. It never does. You're in August company.

Most of the retailers in India get stuff in half credit or full debit , depends on the reliability of the importer. My friend gets for half credit. So I know. When Big Bazar type gets the shipment they do it on full credit. Because then for suppliers in China it's easier to take credit insurance from bank as well.

 

[Sulla84]

This is what I call putting the cart before the horse. What was China in 1949 and 1980s when they opened up their economy? They first unified all the lands they thought were theirs historically and once they became strong, they went after poverty and bulding a strong economy. Take the case of Vietnam and Koreas. Did they not fight wars even in extreme poverty? Take the case of Chandragut Maurya and others. They all first built a strong foundation with strong militaries and after that economic properity followed.
What you are suggesting is a complete recipe for disaster.

Right... China's greatest land grab of Xinjiang and Tibet happened in 1949 - 1950 when they were dirt poor.

 

[vstol Jockey]

I think that in order to liberate Tibet, we will have to force China open up several fronts - wit US in SCS and with Taiwan, Japan and South Korea.

The biggest blow should be to the Chinese economy in terms of US forfeiting and declaring theme as invalid - the treasury bonds serial numbers held by China as a compensation towards the damage caused by the Chinese Virus to the US. European countries should also jump in.

Thad would cause total dismemberment of China and Pakistan.

Though it seems a good idea but forefieting Chinese treasury bonds will send a very bad signal to all other nations and they may not invest in USD after that.

 

[randomradio]

We don't know anything about the contents. None of us do. That didn't prevent screambowl from commenting. It never does. You're in August company.

It's the same case as the Twitter post then. Even he doesn't know what's in the boxes.

But it's obvious the govt does. And the govt's not stupid enough to stop the supply of essential goods like medicine APIs. So the benefit of the doubt can be given to the greater possibility of govt taking action against goods that will cause maximum disruption to the Chinese and least disruption to Indian businesses.

 

[Sanglamorre]

It's the same case as the Twitter post then. Even he doesn't know what's in the boxes.

But it's obvious the govt does. And the govt's not stupid enough to stop the supply of essential goods like medicine APIs. So the benefit of the doubt can be given to the greater possibility of govt taking action against goods that will cause maximum disruption to the Chinese and least disruption to Indian businesses.

You guys are taking it way too seriously. The govt is holding those containers as a show of doing something. The public mood is about boycott, if govt doesn't atleast make noises, it'll be a sticking point.

They're doing similar thing wrt border. Amassing people, rattling around a few systems. Every move that should have been done, like riot gear, cold weapons, orders to fire if need be had been delayed as much as possible which is now added with telling public outright that Chinese haven't done anything, all reports exaggerated, et cetera. All this movement is smoke and mirrors from GoI to safeguard themselves from the nationalist rhetoric bouncing back at them.

They'll wait for people to forget, because 2020 certainly has been a year of incremental tragedies, and quietly release these containers and go back to doing jhula with Xi-daddy and 420 trips to Beijing on public money after adequate payment of hafta and self respect to Chinese masters.

The only worthwhile thing that might happen is destruction of Congress due to domestic politics.

 

[_Anonymous_]

It's the same case as the Twitter post then. Even he doesn't know what's in the boxes.

But it's obvious the govt does. And the govt's not stupid enough to stop the supply of essential goods like medicine APIs. So the benefit of the doubt can be given to the greater possibility of govt taking action against goods that will cause maximum disruption to the Chinese and least disruption to Indian businesses.

It's clear he's siding with the retailers, isn't it & he has a point. Most of the small retailers would have paid up at sight vide TT & I'm not referring to cell phones but knick knacks - items of daily usage which till date constitute the bulk of imports from China. Those companies you talk about have assembly shops here. Most of the components & sub assemblys are imported.

 

[screambowl]

It's clear he's siding with the retailers, isn't it & he has a point. Most of the small retailers would have paid up at sight vide TT & I'm not referring to cell phones but knick knacks - items of daily usage which till date constitute the bulk of imports from China. Those companies you talk about have assembly shops here. Most of the components & sub assemblys are imported.

Boycott will some how fail. People in India have very short memory.

Aircraft can be hidden using ECM in order to get closer for a missile launch, lure enemy jets into your SAM sites etc.

But then Chinese will be doing the same to IAF as well, it's the both sides which will lure eachother. Disinformation on twitter is in full swing, some say HQ9 is deployed by China and not s400, why would China deploy HQ9 and not S400? Or they have kept is specifically for their eastern theater?

 

[jetray]

'Nationalist', who want to spill blood of millions of indians for some small piece of uninhabitable land. For what ? Some made up definition of 'izzat'.

If only they had the same vigour to uplift ~20% of indians still living in extreme poverty.

Remember Chinese nationalists had the foresight to keep quiet till they eradicated the 'three times meal and basic education' problem.

we are not warmongering we are defending to aggression, keeping quiet would mean acceptance and they will sever kashmir / northeast. Then u will have less poor ppl to uplift and lot of curses from ppl who get occupied. Calling it uninhabitable land is just sheer stupidity not every inch of land is occupied in any country.

 

[jetray]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1275353117693894657

THREAD!!

We need to stop reviewing chinese products that will slow down their acceptance. I still see lot of videos reviewing their phones.

 

[Jaymax]

We need to stop reviewing chinese products that will slow down their acceptance. I still see lot of videos reviewing their phones.

People are lining up to buy Mi/ One plus Phones. Technically even iPhones are built in China but a Chinese owned firm means all profits go to Chinese rather than just a portion.