The comments by Gen Narasimhan & supported by @desertfox61I take me back to numerous conversations with @mystiquememoir where all along he's been telling me we've been the aggressors & taken land till Khurnak.
— Ninjamonkey 🇮🇳 (@Aryan_warlord) June 27, 2020
If true we've changed the map of the #Indian subcontinent !
Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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Chinese created a diversion in Galwan Valley and Depsang but they bult permanent fortifications in F4. Their main aim is Chusul and Chumar. For that they must mover forward on Pangong Tso and spanggor Tso. They are doing exactly that.
This thought process is so bizarre that it has made us impotent. A lot of people hold this belief that we shouldn't fight the Chinese because the Americans will profit from it. The reality Americans are already on the top. Taking American assistance to fight the Chinese isn't a bad idea. We are a third world country. We are below Iran in most development standards a country that has been sanctioned for the last 40 years. By not taking our present enemies seriously it's the future of India that is being threatened. This process of being non-aligned had led us becoming puppets of the USSR and so if anybody thinks that we might threaten the asian century by fighting the Chinese and siding with the Americans so be it. Our strategic goals are better served by aligning with the Americans. The problem here is that half of the American ecosystem is now controlled by the Chinese. So if Joe Biden or any of the democrats comes to power we can be sure that we are alone in fighting China because they will smoothly give the Chinese the crown of the global hegemon.
If people are saying that we will become slaves to American foreign policy I don't think it's a bad idea. Just think most of the global supply chain will be India centric our military will fight foreign wars for Western interest the best part is our interests our secured the amount of technological and tactical experience of the American MIC's will trickle down to India industries. If we get at the stage where we might threaten the Americans like the Japanese did simply decouple from the Americans because we will be already industrialised by that point I don't think we will sanctions might slow our economy down but we will be too big to fail like the Chinese. Non-alignment is a dead rotten horse.
'Nationalist', who want to spill blood of millions of indians for some small piece of uninhabitable land. For what ? Some made up definition of 'izzat'.
If only they had the same vigour to uplift ~20% of indians still living in extreme poverty.
Remember Chinese nationalists had the foresight to keep quiet till they eradicated the 'three times meal and basic education' problem.
So, what you're saying is that within 3 years , we'd have everything we want & then we can safely take on the Chinese. If push comes to shove we can take on the Pakistanis too. In other words by 2022-23 we'd be prepared to fight a two front war, isn't it? Any particular reason for your optimism?
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In other words, unkil, we must emulate the Chinese. Keep our silence till we've eradicated the problem of literacy, hunger, etc & then send our children to their death for that very same barren piece of land we ought not to be fighting for now.
Forgotten in all this, of course, is the convenient fact that it was the Chinese calling the shots all along. They drove the agenda, be it for peace or war. When they decided it was time for peace, the other nations were so grateful they forgot to ask or even to factor in whether this peace was eternal or it came with a deadline.
We have discussed it a lot here but here some of the reasons:
1. Completion of Border infrastructure along LAC
2. Completion of the building of blast pens along LOC
3. Complete induction of Rafale.
4 Induction of S-400.
5. Induction of Agni V
6. Increased squadron strength.
7. Jets equipped with better air to air missiles.
1. Completion of Border infrastructure along LAC
Welcome move but back in 1962 both our nations lacked any infrastructure. That didn't prevent the Chinese from attacking or winning.
2. Completion of the building of blast pens along LOC
It's the LoC. Not the LAC. Even if it were the LAC, it would provide us with an advantage, just not the overwhelming kind .
3. Complete induction of Rafale.
Important advantage. Not of the overwhelming kind.
4 Induction of S-400.
They have it too.
5. Induction of Agni V.
Important for N blackmail. I doubt we'd get that far.
6. Increased squadron strength.
Marginal increase. It'd be of Rafale & all the squadrons of Tejas Mk -1.
7. Jets equipped with better air to air missiles.
Ok. If you say so.
2 tragic Army deaths on duty on Ladakh’s Shyok river in last 48 hrs. Naik Sachin More & Lance Naik Saleem Khan. Not combat related, but in combat zone, so both to be treated as battle casualties. Condolences to their families/units 🇮🇳 pic.twitter.com/ilAFskFuRL
— Shiv Aroor (@ShivAroor) June 27, 2020
Defence establishment is reasonably confident that its "total combat potential" now deployed in the region will deter any offensive thrust or major misadventure from China. The assessment as of now is that the PLA is "unlikely to risk an all-out offensive" https://t.co/8iqNHemAbL
— Yusuf Unjhawala 🇮🇳 (@YusufDFI) June 27, 2020
I really never took the pain to understand the map in this conflict in details but one of my friends who went to great lengths to study the maps and even used commercial satellite imagery access( university subscription ) has been telling me the same for almost 2.5 weeks now. I just nodded along but seeing a few others come to this conclusion, I am seriously considering this possibility but would like to wait and watch!
This is what I call putting the cart before the horse. What was China in 1949 and 1980s when they opened up their economy? They first unified all the lands they thought were theirs historically and once they became strong, they went after poverty and bulding a strong economy. Take the case of Vietnam and Koreas. Did they not fight wars even in extreme poverty? Take the case of Chandragut Maurya and others. They all first built a strong foundation with strong militaries and after that economic properity followed.
What you are suggesting is a complete recipe for disaster.
India moves air defence missile systems into Eastern Ladakh sector
Interesting Part - “Sources said that India is also very shortly getting a highly capable air defence system from a friendly country which can be deployed and the entire area can be taken care off to prevent any enemy flying there”
India moves air defence missile systems into Eastern Ladakh sector
— ANI Digital (@ani_digital) June 27, 2020
Read @ANI Story | https://t.co/fCGfSRWkpR pic.twitter.com/EPlpoLE3oe
Interesting Part - “Sources said that India is also very shortly getting a highly capable air defence system from a friendly country which can be deployed and the entire area can be taken care off to prevent any enemy flying there”
Let's not get into discussing 1962, it had other major reasons for the defeat, mainly assessment, strategy, planning and leadership. We had a better Air Force but did not use it. What can I say? We know who was at the helm. With the above-mentioned points what I am trying to convey is we can stalemate them, pretty much in a 2 front war.
We can grind them down to a halt even now & fight a war of attrition. Remember, we are a status quoist power. We don't hanker for land the way the HAN do. If we can ensure we don't lose a single mm of our land for now , the Han loses for his objective isn't met. We don't need to wait for another 2-3 years to achieve this.
India China news: India moves air defence missile systems into Eastern Ladakh sector | India News - Times of India
India News: Amid heightened Chinese fighter aircraft and helicopter activities along the LAC, the Indian armed forces have deployed their advanced surface-to-air
m.timesofindia.com
The article talks about highly capable air defense system from friendly country. Which country and what ?
I have said more than that. Of course they will profit from that, and Pakistan, China also know that. But then you can't straighten the curved tail.
I have already said that, there is no space to commit the mistake which Prithviraj Chauhan did. But you need to be powerful and have materialized the plan.
But that won't happen because India is multi cultured and the industrial laws the land laws are tough in India. To be industrially sound you need proper set of rules for land acquisition to built a plant. In India forget US company, West Bengal did not accommodate your own TATA. India has a vast fertile land and leaders know that if India starts losing this fertile land there will be food scarcity. The situation is very complex.
Galwan is to cut DBO so that they can take on majority of areas full of glaciers. I have been saying this. Their main aim is water where they can accommodate industries and population.
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Sir, my question is how quick India can procure and for how long. If in a conflict , lets say 2 front, daily aerial combat requires 100 units of AAM and SAM I am noob on these estimates, but let's say India has 4000 units of such missile , assume 1000 lost in crashes and raid, left 3000 don't you think you have one month of stock left. Where as Chinese will not stop even by then. They will try to prolong it.
The difference: India will need to buy from abroad and Chinese can manufature as much as they want. The supply chain is the issue here.
