Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

jetray said:
But it is a very bad move to send him all the time, it just makes rest of the ppl look totally incompetent and insignificant.
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They are incompetent and insignificant compared to Doval. I have told thousand times, that 80% of government of India and people in Government are incompetent and fully rotten. There shouldn't be any doubt.

Doval is Chanakya II his priority is country other's priority are their families.
Internal security, external security, foreign policy is in the hands of Doval.

Jaishanker was China expert but he failed because Chinese did not find him worth talking to because When Jainshanker was serving as ambassador in Beijing the Chinese might have analysed him and noticed his attitude and habits.

India needs a successor for Doval in later years who has vast experience and knowledge equivalent to Doval. You don't get such people everyday and easily.
 
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Ashwin said:
Why is it Modi not wishing Dalai Lama's birthday?
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Because it opens a whole new Pandora's box.

If you are ready to do that, then GoI needs to officially drop the One China Policy. And its about course of action, which I think we are not ready to take. For at least another 5 years. I think we still want to portray ourselves as a good boy. And Chinese also remain in confusion, wtf Indians wants from us.
But, I think things going to move really fast after the death of Dalai Lama.
 
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Behind the Indo-China border de-escalation

While India will continue to put pressure on China to ensure that the PLA withdraws to its April positions, the country’s national security planners say that the disengagement process will take time.
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While India has noted the US Navy counter to Chinese Navy’s exercises in the South China Sea, senior officials are at pains to clarify that this has no links to Ladakh withdrawal. “ For the past two months, we were prepared for the worst in Ladakh as PM Modi had decided that India will not back down from any aggression on the borders and surrendering of any territory was unacceptable,” said a senior Cabinet Minister who spoke on condition of anonymity.
 
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Arpit said:
Because it opens a whole new Pandora's box.

If you are ready to do that, then GoI needs to officially drop the One China Policy. And its about course of action, which I think we are not ready to take. For at least another 5 years. I think we still want to portray ourselves as a good boy. And Chinese also remain in confusion, wtf Indians wants from us.
But, I think things going to move really fast after the death of Dalai Lama.
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There are few questions -

- What is the problem with officially dropping the "One China" policy ? We are not ready for this course of action - why?
- Why do we have to portray ourselves as good boy despite the provocations of the Chinese, be it at the border or at UN, Pakistan!
- What course of action will become "an option" for India after Dalai Lama's death & why will things move very fast then?
 
Defc0n said:
There are few questions -

- What is the problem with officially dropping the "One China" policy ? We are not ready for this course of action - why?
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Its not about the problem or not having a problem, a country a size of India can adopt any policy, and China wont able to do much. Might be another Galwan.

Its about Govt deciding a course of action, and they need to feel confident about it. Because after adopting it, there is no backward path.
Like the case with banning apps, it set a course of action, that is totally boycotting Chinese, and creating a new supply chain for consumer products. Might be we create some in-home, transfer some to ASEAN, some to Europe.
But we set a precedent and we moving toward it.

Also, we be deciding china as our eternal enemy. They do whatever to destroy us, and we do everything to destroy them. If we are not ready to take that decision, we shouldn't do that.
- Why do we have to portray ourselves as good boy despite the provocations of the Chinese, be it at the border or at UN, Pakistan!
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Because that is intrinsic nature of our country.

- What course of action will become "an option" for India after Dalai Lama's death & why will things move very fast then?
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Declaring we hold no border with China.
 
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randomradio said:
@Aurora
www.hindustantimes.com

Behind the Indo-China border de-escalation

While India will continue to put pressure on China to ensure that the PLA withdraws to its April positions, the country’s national security planners say that the disengagement process will take time.
www.hindustantimes.com www.hindustantimes.com
While India has noted the US Navy counter to Chinese Navy’s exercises in the South China Sea, senior officials are at pains to clarify that this has no links to Ladakh withdrawal. “ For the past two months, we were prepared for the worst in Ladakh as PM Modi had decided that India will not back down from any aggression on the borders and surrendering of any territory was unacceptable,” said a senior Cabinet Minister who spoke on condition of anonymity.
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Yeah there is no direct connection b/w USN maneuver in SCS and our scuffle with China on LAC. But only when we see them separately. In the larger perspective both are putting immense pressure on CCP and PLA and forcing them to back off from both the theatre. I say it again with the risk of repetition, We will fight our war and they will fight their's.
 
Defc0n said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1280070264886136837

People have lost it. Who believes this BS!?
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If we are going the BS route why not go big.

My sources tell me Xi Jinping personally apologized to Doval and sought an appointment with Modi after Republic TV, ZEE News and India TV threatened to start Chinese Language Channels and sneak its broadcast into China. </Sarcasm>
 
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Ashwin said:
Why is it Modi not wishing Dalai Lama's birthday?
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bcos we dont want to hurt chinese innocence but they can go ahead and support masood azhar in UN. India and its foreign service has self created a huge bubble wrap of pusillanimity around itself where it thinks appeasing the enemy by bending & crawling is the only way to survive. china can build a road in POK but Indian elected representative cannot visit arunachal or ladakh. Frankly things wont change much unless ladakh or arunachal is given 30 or more loksabha seats in parliament.
 
Arpit said:
Because it opens a whole new Pandora's box.

If you are ready to do that, then GoI needs to officially drop the One China Policy. And its about course of action, which I think we are not ready to take. For at least another 5 years. I think we still want to portray ourselves as a good boy. And Chinese also remain in confusion, wtf Indians wants from us.
But, I think things going to move really fast after the death of Dalai Lama.
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why does it open pandora's box, it is just a normal greeting we dint declare any thing or change any policy. It is more or less a psychological effect where you threaten the enemy even if you breathe it will be construed as act of war. These are just cheap bullying tactics. If we are so afraid of wishing any one we want to in our own country then we should stop calling ourselves sovereign & independent. Compare the same thing with pakistan they go around supporting terrorists openly conducting rally's do they require permission from us? These stupidities are our own creation.
 
PLA will not vacate the area between F4 & F8. They have withdrawn from galwan due to water as they did in July 1962. In Gogra and Hot springs they are at lower ground and they need to maintain pressure in Depsang to avoid break out of Indian Forces to their rear. So they are here to fight. IA can break out from Gogra also to dominate Kongka La and than onto Lanak La. They can also swing northwards and cut off the forces in the Galwan valley. In such a situation, even the forces opposite Chusul will come under pressure with no resupply.
 
vstol Jockey said:
PLA will not vacate the area between F4 & F8. They have withdrawn from galwan due to water as they did in July 1962. In Gogra and Hot springs they are at lower ground and they need to maintain pressure in Depsang to avoid break out of Indian Forces to their rear. So they are here to fight. IA can break out from Gogra also to dominate Kongka La and than onto Lanak La. They can also swing northwards and cut off the forces in the Galwan valley. In such a situation, even the forces opposite Chusul will come under pressure with no resupply.
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CAN is the key word here. Will the Govt actually go ahead?

Chinese withdrawal is not worth Rs 0.02. They are like flies on a fruit plate. Blow them off and they ll buzz and come back. Already Chinese TV programs are painting India as the aggressor. They are rallying public opinion against us. Jinping had previously asked his army to be ready for a short war. IMO the Chinese are prepared for a fight if it comes to that point. We are still pussyfooting even after beating them black and blue on June 15.
 
Jaymax said:
CAN is the key word here. Will the Govt actually go ahead?

Chinese withdrawal is not worth Rs 0.02. They are like flies on a fruit plate. Blow them off and they ll buzz and come back. Already Chinese TV programs are painting India as the aggressor. They are rallying public opinion against us. Jinping had previously asked his army to be ready for a short war. IMO the Chinese are prepared for a fight if it comes to that point. We are still pussyfooting even after beating them black and blue on June 15.
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Their program was for 15th only and they thought it will serve as a warning for the other smaller nations. They never expected the fierce and brutal counter attack by IA. They actually came prepared for short skirmish to give a bloody nose to India and humiliate Modi. But they went back humilated with a bloody nose.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
Their program was for 15th only and they thought it will serve as a warning for the other smaller nations. They never expected the fierce and brutal counter attack by IA. They actually came prepared for short skirmish to give a bloody nose to India and humiliate Modi. But they went back humilated with a bloody nose.
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They will be back soon. Jinping ruffled a lot of feathers when he became leader for life. He cannot survive an insult by India when he openly states his goal is to go up against US.

Doklam did not prevent Galwan.
Galwan wont prevent the next standoff.

All it takes is one slip and this time it wont be sticks and stones.
 
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