Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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You have the answers within the questions you asked me. Shall we not fight a war because we have elections due in some state? We have elections every 6-8 months in some state or the other. So we must let anyone and everyone take away our territory as we have elections due!!!!!@vstol Jockey
Sir, please correct me if i'm wrong.
First of all I am no ardent supporter of modi. And i know modi is not a coward either. do you think the reason behind not going for a war at this point is because there is not enough thrust among public to go war?
public is still worried about corona, sushant singh rajput, bjp vs cong etc
If he goes to war with china now people will blame him for being a blood thirst psychopath. And there is also bihar elections coming soon. if the skirmishes happen along nepal/bihar border and lets say we lost some men that would be a nail in the coffin for bjp in the elections. And UPA in bihar would be a disaster, especially internal security wise. And I am not saying NDA is any better but that's the best alternative we have for now. Do you think this is one of the reasons that is stopping an all out action against chene at this point by the govt?
By nepal/bihar skirmishes i meant not army but local forces with help of chene like this on a bigger scale:
Nepal police open fire near Indian border, one Indian killed & 4 injured
One India farmer died after Nepal police open fire on Indians at Sonbarsa in Sitamarhi in Bihar near Indo-Nepal border, 4 others injuredwww.opindia.com
And china will deny involvement just like Pakistani. and media can do rest of the job for them is the point i was trying to make.
Should we not reclaim our territories lost to China and Pakistan. Congress Govts passed the resolution in LS longback to retake them. How can a person be called blood thirsty if he is fighting for his rights and truth? Do you mean to say Lord Raam was blood thirsty when he went all the way to attack Lanka or was Lord Krishna wrong when he asked Arjun to fight the war?
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hello - in my understanding I think that the 2nd and 3rd crossing was with the approval of the higher ups in Delhi as by that time the knowledge of the 1st brawl and the death of Col Babu must have reached Delhi and so the 2nd & 3rd Crossing the LAC into Chene territory must have been approved at the highest level and considering the way MSD work they 3 knew that they would not get a chance again and so threw all that they had locally in 2 hours after the 1st brawl and then the Chene had no choice but to face the Ghatak’s and aam Yindu soldiers who must have had murder in their eyes!
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With the agreement of not using any light or heavy weapon reinstated? That would be a joke! Military took the initiative and threw them out. Government is now calming the military down. Downing of colonel is never taken lightly by any military.
With the agreement of not using any light or heavy weapon reinstated? That would be a joke! Military took the initiative and threw them out. Government is now calming the military down. Downing of colonel is never taken lightly by any military.
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Its not good if it actually went that way. Government top brass micromanaging things at that level is not good.
I think you have already got the answer from @screambowl. The retaliation was instantaneous and even if the higher ups knew, they did not stop it as they knew what happens if the CO is killed. They all did not come from Mars or moon to be senior officers. All of them had risen thru the same system and they all were COs once.
you seem to have stronk feelings. Intent should be shown if not they will keep running all over us. Fighting is not done on battle field alone but also on other areas as well. Not considering them as enemy will let them invest in our country and take hold of important sectors compromising security.
those armchair pussycats dont want to give away their powers of ordering ppl around. They end up consolidating all the powers with themselves and have to take permission even for every bullet fired. Sufficient autonomy and responsibility should be given to ppl at lower end of the stack.
I think India must have told US that they should Lead and liberate the SCS and liberate Manchuria and Inner Mongolia along with S Korea, Japan, Taiwan and ASEAN and India will take the Lead of liberating TIbet and Uyghur and reclaiming Aksai Hind and POJK along with liberating Balochistan, Sindhudesh and KPK. IOR and Afghanistan will be mutually used entry points.
But in all of this the US has to take the lead and start. Without that, India is not jumping alone, just for Aksai Hind, for now. Maybe later, it is a different reason.
@vstol Jockey
Sir, please correct me if i'm wrong.
First of all I am no ardent supporter of modi. And i know modi is not a coward either. do you think the reason behind not going for a war at this point is because there is not enough thrust among public to go war?
public is still worried about corona, sushant singh rajput, bjp vs cong etc
If he goes to war with china now people will blame him for being a blood thirst psychopath. And there is also bihar elections coming soon. if the skirmishes happen along nepal/bihar border and lets say we lost some men that would be a nail in the coffin for bjp in the elections. And UPA in bihar would be a disaster, especially internal security wise. And I am not saying NDA is any better but that's the best alternative we have for now. Do you think this is one of the reasons that is stopping an all out action against chene at this point by the govt?
By nepal/bihar skirmishes i meant not army but local forces with help of chene like this on a bigger scale:
Nepal police open fire near Indian border, one Indian killed & 4 injured
One India farmer died after Nepal police open fire on Indians at Sonbarsa in Sitamarhi in Bihar near Indo-Nepal border, 4 others injured
And china will deny involvement just like Pakistani. and media can do rest of the job for them is the point i was trying to make.
And modiji can send aircraft career into South China Sea. Ir might have an effect even if it doesn't start war.
Actually “not being armed” is the give away that the 2nd & 3rd crossover was planned from Delhi !EDIT: Welcome to the forum
With the agreement of not using any light or heavy weapon reinstated? That would be a joke! Military took the initiative and threw them out. Government is now calming the military down. Downing of colonel is never taken lightly by any military.
Doesn't make any sense. It only means Modi is using Doval and Military just like congress for his own image and not for actually taking action. Either he knows India can't fight China so he insisted on negotiations or he is not interested in skirmish.
A country's military is ready, they are confident, then why negotiations?
I personally think that the large number of our people from 16 Bihar who also joined the 2nd & 3rd fray and even unarmed guys from the nearby posted 3rd Sikh Arty regiment joining the free for all without arms was allowed by the higher authorities in Delhi ! Losing Col Babu was too high a price for us to be let off without any retaliation and knowing MSD I am sure that they would not have allowed the Chene to go away without any consequences and they knew that what ever had to be done for reciprocating was to be completed in the night of 15th only and that is why our guys must have gone quite deep into Chene territory and done what they did, and I think that this would be more or equal to what was done by us to the Chene in Nathu La in ‘67. I personally am of the opinion that the Chene in the Galway Valley got to learn “Bole So Nihal Sat Sri Akal” and “Bajrang Bali Ki Jai”.
What did you achieve from this? Status Quo! It is contra to what resolution in Parliament say. . Aise logey Aksai Chin? After two years they will return again with Larger force mind it. Samblega nahi tab, bhagtey phiroge duniya bhar mein koi muh nahi lagayega!
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actually I think he is a street fighter in his thinking when it comes to the Chene ! The maximum pain has to be inflected within the 24 hours and I think he has learned this the hard way in the earlier Fist cuffs fight in May month when the Chene came in large numbers and inflicted severe injuries to ITBP on the pangong area remember the photo from Global Times ! MSD knows that you need to bring higher number in any street fight without any arms and which they did in Galwan! I am very happy with what they did as the Chene knows now that we are ready for any eventuality.
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Sir - two things were achieved -
1.) Public perception in India - slowly the pictures of the dead Chinese and the Chinese hostage will come out near to the Bihar election as to what the 16 Bihar did and to be honest it is high times the Chene were taught a lesson of not to take the Yindus lightly !
2.) The soldier on the front knows now that the higher ups in Delhi will not ask them to fight with their one hand tied and will actually walk the talk of being and having a strong and professional army ! Also the night of 15 June 20202 has changed the thinking of the Indian soldier and they know and understand that the government in Delhi now will not take the loss of even 1 soldier lightly on the LAC just like the LoC and that the Chene will have to bear the consequences just like how their iron brothers have to bear the consequences!
This two points in my understanding are huge takeaways for the Chene Govt that MSD actually mean what they say and this is the only language the Chene Psyche understands !
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sir, again in two years time lot of things will change! Just today it was announced that 6 more bridges are going to be inaugurated tomorrow by our DM Rajnath Singh ! Even in 6 months lot of things will change at the LAC border and we shall now start holding our men at all this points throughout the year going forward and also the Chene know that they did not have a longer period before which our abilities and capabilities will improve and will not allow them to teach us a lesson and that is why they thought that they will teach us the lesson first in Galwan in the 1st Brawl but actually in the 2nd and 3rd Brawl the evil Yindus taught the poor Chene a lesson in street fight that they will not forget soon and make them think hard of doing anything further of this sorts again.
Do you need to say out loud china as enemies for preserving your self-interests? wtf. What kind of logic is that?
If we want American companies to stop investing in critical infrastructure, we need to declare Americans as our enemy?
I think you don't understand what declaring enemy in geopolitics actually means.
And I am ready to consider them as enemies? And face consequences for that (we be actually declaring a cold war and arms race with them, including in nuclear arena) . But do you ready for that? You thinking world is revolving around India, and the Chinese do nothing.
Like the Chinese say karlo karlo, humare saath jo karana hai karlo, hum yanha par thoda aaram kar lete hai. Fir aayenge, jab tum tayaar hoge aur green light de doge humko.
You people are like maaro salon chiniyon ko, but not ready to face consequences and retaliation on us? This is not a la-la land.