Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Yeah, I'm fine with that. But some people are pushing for an extra $100B every year, effectively more than doubling the defence budget. Meaning, back to how it as in the 60s and 70s where defence expenditure was 5-6% of GDP.

We dont need that much

This year in all emergency purchases we will spend 50 Thousand Crores ie 7 Billion Dollars

Next year' expenditure will depend on
How the present standoff ends

And whether China makes any attempt to Improve Relations

If they keep bullying us and engage in
A Two Front Preparation with Pakistan , we will need to do a lot more

 

[randomradio]

A war will transform will transform our economy. It will create much needed demand in this troubling time. Only cost which we would pay is loss of lives.

With our current industry standards, we will be forced to import a lot of stuff. We still need to go through another 3 years of R&D effort before almost everything we use can be replaced with Indian held IPR or manufacture foreign stuff within the country, more or less. So we are not there yet.

We dont need that much

This year in all emergency purchases we will spend 50 Thousand Crores ie 7 Billion Dollars

Next year' expenditure will depend on
How the present standoff ends

And whether China makes any attempt to Improve Relations

If they keep bullying us and engage in
A Two Front Preparation with Pakistan , we will need to do a lot more

Yep. But that's obviously too less. A much greater expenditure is necessary now. All the emergency purchases are not in addition to the defence budget, it's all within the budget.

 

[Golden_Rule]

It seems the chinese are keen on collaborating with paxtan on cutting edge biological weapons in paxtan.

This would be the best way to salvage the CPEC as well as get rid of the whole of paxtanis at one stroke - a wuhan type leak of the bio-weapon in paxtan itself thus causing mass murder and destroying any and all resistance from the locals.

Hopefully Allah will provide some grey matter to the paxtanis.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

With our current industry standards, we will be forced to import a lot of stuff. We still need to go through another 3 years of R&D effort before almost everything we use can be replaced with Indian held IPR or manufacture foreign stuff within the country, more or less. So we are not there yet.


Yep. But that's obviously too less. A much greater expenditure is necessary now. All the emergency purchases are not in addition to the defence budget, it's all within the budget.

What Indians must realise that
We are entering into a 30 year Cold War with China

In this new Cold War , India would be a Frontline state

China will continue.to threaten All Asian countries which are Friendly to US

That is why they started this standoff with India , to SEND a message to ALL smaller Asian countries

 

[randomradio]

What Indians must realise that
We are entering into a 30 year Cold War with China

In this new Cold War , India would be a Frontline state

China will continue.to threaten All Asian countries which are Friendly to US

That is why they started this standoff with India , to SEND a message to ALL smaller Asian countries

US and China are entering a cold war. For us the hot war threat is real.

 

[Bali78]

US and China are entering a cold war. For us the hot war threat is real.

Lol.. It's just hot air for the presidential election, nothing else. Trump is lagging big time due to his mishandling of Corona issue and now trying hard to divert attention by targeting China. The day election is over, all these anti China rhetoric will vanish.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Lol.. It's just hot air for the presidential election, nothing else. Trump is lagging big time due to his mishandling of Corona issue and now trying hard to divert attention by targeting China. The day election is over, all these anti China rhetoric will vanish.

Anti China Policies and Actions are Not being just decided by Trump

Both parties are convinced about the Chinese threat

US STATE Department , FBI , CIA , Pentagon -- the Bureaucracy and Military , all are convinced about the Growing threat from China

FBI director went on record that China is a huge threat to USA

Thousands of Chinese are busy in Spying while living in US as.students or
Workers

Redirect Notice

China is using Trade and immigrants to undermine US economy and security at every stage

During the recent riots in US , thousands of GUNS were sent to US by Chinese companies in the form of spare parts


China is flooding drugs like Fentanyl into
US through Mexico to ruin the youngsters.

11,000 Assault Weapons Parts Smuggled In From China, Says U.S. Border Agency

A US Border authorities seized nearly 11,000 assault weapons’ parts smuggled into the US from China in Louisville, Kentucky – a city facing violent riots rife with illegal firearms –

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Corona was the proverbial last straw

Why do you think China is Bullying
Asian countries , because it feels US has been weakened enough

And that now China can Rule over Asia

 

[randomradio]

Lol.. It's just hot air for the presidential election, nothing else. Trump is lagging big time due to his mishandling of Corona issue and now trying hard to divert attention by targeting China. The day election is over, all these anti China rhetoric will vanish.

The Chinese are ready to begin challenging America's hegemony. So it's obvious a US-China cold war is inevitable.

I know what Trump's doing is for the reelection, so everything's over the top right now. But even after elections, whether Trump wins or loses, the cold war is set to begin, starting with the Iran-China deal and the subsequent modernisation of Iran's military post October this year. ASEAN countries are also going to have to start picking sides pretty soon. And China's inroads into Africa is going to be far more aggressive, which is meant to challenge both the US and Europe. In a decade's time, the Chinese are going to begin challenging the US in South America as well, which is an American red line, by which time both countries will have the same GDP and possibly the same-sized military budget. You can expect Brazil and Argentina to accept Chinese investment with open arms, followed by the sale of ports and airports back to the Chinese, and by the time this happens, the Chinese will be able to demonstrate more or less the same military power as the Americans. More nukes are going to be built and all sides are going to sabre-rattle each other to death, hence cold war.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

US and China are entering a cold war. For us the hot war threat is real.

We need 200 Rafales and 2000 More Brahmos missiles AND 500 Agni 5 missiles

Then sit back and Sip Orange Juice

 

[Bali78]

Anti China Policies and Actions are Not being just decided by Trump

Both parties are convinced about the Chinese threat

US STATE Department , FBI , CIA , Pentagon -- the Bureaucracy and Military , all are convinced about the Growing threat from China

FBI director went on record that China is a huge threat to USA

Thousands of Chinese are busy in Spying while living in US as.students or
Workers

Redirect Notice

China is using Trade and immigrants to undermine US economy and security at every stage

During the recent riots in US , thousands of GUNS were sent to US by Chinese companies in the form of spare parts


China is flooding drugs like Fentanyl into
US through Mexico to ruin the youngsters.

11,000 Assault Weapons Parts Smuggled In From China, Says U.S. Border Agency

A US Border authorities seized nearly 11,000 assault weapons’ parts smuggled into the US from China in Louisville, Kentucky – a city facing violent riots rife with illegal firearms –

www.thedesertreview.com

Fentanyl and geopolitics: Controlling opioid supply from China

Vanda Felbab-Brown examines whether and how effectively China will enforce new regulation prohibiting the production, sales, and export of all fentanyl class drugs without government authorization.

www.google.com

Corona was the proverbial last straw

Why do you think China is Bullying
Asian countries , because it feels US has been weakened enough

And that now China can Rule over Asia

Huawei is known for hiring engineers with double salary and openly asking to reveal tech details of their previous companies and these stories are at least a decade old. Question is why was US sleeping?

Lol..for riots you don't need Chinese guns .. You can find more guns in any neighborhood gun store.. These kind of stories are good for Indian news channels. It has to link to reality on ground.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Huawei is known for hiring engineers with double salary and openly asking to reveal tech details of their previous companies and these stories are at least a decade old. Question is why was US sleeping?

Lol..for riots you don't need Chinese guns .. You can find more guns in any neighborhood gun store.. These kind of stories are good for Indian news channels. It has to link to reality on ground.

What happened in the past , I dont know

I can only see where this is going

The guns sold legally in the US have a paper trail ,Arms smuggling is like supporting terrorism

Our concern is that China will keep targetting India as a means of sending a warning to other Asian countries

So the question is at what point this bullying will lead to a war

 

[Bali78]

The Chinese are ready to begin challenging America's hegemony. So it's obvious a US-China cold war is inevitable.

I know what Trump's doing is for the reelection, so everything's over the top right now. But even after elections, whether Trump wins or loses, the cold war is set to begin, starting with the Iran-China deal and the subsequent modernisation of Iran's military post October this year. ASEAN countries are also going to have to start picking sides pretty soon. And China's inroads into Africa is going to be far more aggressive, which is meant to challenge both the US and Europe. In a decade's time, the Chinese are going to begin challenging the US in South America as well, which is an American red line, by which time both countries will have the same GDP and possibly the same-sized military budget. You can expect Brazil and Argentina to accept Chinese investment with open arms, followed by the sale of ports and airports back to the Chinese, and by the time this happens, the Chinese will be able to demonstrate more or less the same military power as the Americans. More nukes are going to be built and all sides are going to sabre-rattle each other to death, hence cold war.

There is nothing unknown about what China is doing or about intentions. But in reality, nobody gives a damn about it in US. The whole group of US politicians are completely useless irrespective of whichever party they belong to. The Democrats are busy apprising the minority groups (similar to Congress) and Republicans are busy licking butts of conservative groups. Eventually all of them serve their masters from business community. This is not the America of 20th century and expecting another Cold War in similar lines is wishful thinking.

Just wait till election and see how the whole narrative will change.

 

[Bali78]

What happened in the past , I dont know

I can only see where this is going

The guns sold legally in the US have a paper trail ,Arms smuggling is like supporting terrorism

Our concern is that China will keep targetting India as a means of sending a warning to other Asian countries

So the question is at what point this bullying will lead to a war

First of all most of these riots involved looting of stores and there were very few shooting incidents. Linking these shooting to some smuggled Chinese guns is ridiculous.

China will keep targeting India for multiple reasons and the barren lands of Ladakh are just one way to pin India down.

Just like US and Europe lost it's manufacturing to China during last 30 years, after Kovid China is shit scared about loosing the same to India. Whole world is now looking for a back up option and the only country which has the necessary Human Resources is India. Nobody wants to make any noise about it, but things are moving pretty fast. Just see the news about latest iPhone production in India.

Please remember in spite of the brain wash, general Chinese public do not like the communist government and they have been tolerating so far due to the rapid economic growth. Chinese government will do anything and everything to keep the ball rolling. Whether it's OBOR or the escalation on our border, are all part of the big strategy which is being executed to keep the Chinese economy intact.

The day Chinese economy crashes, there will not be any communist party.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

First of all most of these riots involved looting of stores and there were very few shooting incidents. Linking these shooting to some smuggled Chinese guns is ridiculous.

China will keep targeting India for multiple reasons and the barren lands of Ladakh are just one way to pin India down.

Just like US and Europe lost it's manufacturing to China during last 30 years, after Kovid China is shit scared about loosing the same to India. Whole world is now looking for a back up option and the only country which has the necessary Human Resources is India. Nobody wants to make any noise about it, but things are moving pretty fast. Just see the news about latest iPhone production in India.

Please remember in spite of the brain wash, general Chinese public do not like the communist government and they have been tolerating so far due to the rapid economic growth. Chinese government will do anything and everything to keep the ball rolling. Whether it's OBOR or the escalation on our border, are all part of the big strategy which is being executed to keep the Chinese economy intact.

The day Chinese economy crashes, there will not be any communist party.

China will NOT be able to defeat USA for a long time

So.they will take out their Frustration on India , that is what Bullies do

 

[HariPrasad]

Let me tell you something which I found very surprising. I agree with @Falcon regarding his assesment of Ravi Rikhaye. But it seems that his knowledge is dated in 2014 or so. The present deployment of PLA as shown by many OSINT handles is exactly as per the book written by Ravi Rikhaye in 2018. This means that his book is based on how IA was and what the future plans of IA were as in a period before 2018. His book has very little to offer about how IAF will add to the fighting potential of IA.
Please have a look at the deployment of PLA in Aksai Hind especially in Pangong Tso area, Gogra, Hotsprings and Chusul. They seem more of defensive nature and primed to fight holding Battles with a Brigade each in these areas. But they have something sinister up north and that is where IA can counter pressure from central command.
The battle this time will be exact replica of 1962 but with IAF butchering PLAAF. Irrespective what anyone may say, I know what IAF is capable of and the kind of tactical advantage they enjoy over PLAAF. Yesterday in my post I had stated that it will be difficult for IA to come down from mountains to fight PLA in plains. But if IA can breakthru from mountains to plains and that too like that of Aksai Hind with air superiority, With multiple thrust from Central command and NE, we can butcher PLA and librate Tibet within about three weeks. Dash to Lhasa will become easy once we surround PLA in southern Aksai Hind from Central Command and make thrust from Sikkim towards Lhasa. Did you even notice the breaks in their deployment pattern? They are not mutually supportive.

This is very interesting sir. Please elaborate further.

 

[Bali78]

China will NOT be able to defeat USA for a long time

So.they will take out their Frustration on India , that is what Bullies do

It's not about frustration, they are way smarter than that. Their intention is bully us and do "hafta wasooly" in the form of exports, allowing Chinese companies to take control of Indian companies and stop/slow down Indian government to woo manufacturing to India.

Chinese are not idiots like Pakistanis who will fight 70 years for nothing !!

 

[HariPrasad]

China will NOT be able to defeat USA for a long time

So.they will take out their Frustration on India , that is what Bullies do

But what will happen if India humiliated china by changing and defeating China?

 

[randomradio]

There is nothing unknown about what China is doing or about intentions. But in reality, nobody gives a damn about it in US. The whole group of US politicians are completely useless irrespective of whichever party they belong to. The Democrats are busy apprising the minority groups (similar to Congress) and Republicans are busy licking butts of conservative groups. Eventually all of them serve their masters from business community. This is not the America of 20th century and expecting another Cold War in similar lines is wishful thinking.

Just wait till election and see how the whole narrative will change.

If Trump's back, I don't think their hardline policy will change. Recall the old Iran deal and now the Chinese BRI deal. If anything, it may make the Americans far more aggressive towards Iran, perhaps we may even see an Iranian invasion as the worst case. Biden may take a much softer approach.

Regardless, right now public opinion is against China, so for the narrative to change, public opinion has to change first.

But neither Trump nor Biden are good news for China. While Trump will make it more about Iran, Biden could make it more about Hong Kong.

 

[HariPrasad]

Does anyone have any idea of the quality of Chinese aesa radars as compared to other western countries and Russia??

Largely inferior.

 

[Saaho]

You are assuming that a Indo China conflict will automatically pull in usa and Japan. These countries won't be risking their personnel for India.

Do you think fighting China is only "For India"?
If so that is an assumption.

If US and the Quad militarily confronts China in coming days/months, is it "for India"? That is not necessarily true.