That is surprising. Typically chips for military applications are designed and tested for 125deg C. The systems themselves shall have their own cooling systems and heat sinks and must be rated for their maximum operating temperature.
Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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BELOW IS SPECULATION BASED PURELY ON OSINT and MSM news outlets. USE SALT AS REQUIRED
Based on the information we have from local OSINT and defense journalists. Clashes seem to have happened in more than once place. Three locations have repeatedly come up form time to time on different news outlets and on OSINT channels. That being 3 strategic features of HELMET top, BLACK top, and Reqin.
Judging from the map and the geography. All three of these features of the highest elevation in that area. Seems to have considerable LOS into the surrounding areas. Holding on to Helmet, Black Top and Reqin makes the Chinese position(s) around the Spanggur gap untenable.
Blacktop is in much higher elevation and will have direct LOS to the Spangur Lake.
Here is the terrain map mode from google maps. Added points of interest that I know of.
Assuming these features are under our control, then Yes, we are dominating the Spangur Gap.
Based on the information we have from local OSINT and defense journalists. Clashes seem to have happened in more than once place. Three locations have repeatedly come up form time to time on different news outlets and on OSINT channels. That being 3 strategic features of HELMET top, BLACK top, and Reqin.
Judging from the map and the geography. All three of these features of the highest elevation in that area. Seems to have considerable LOS into the surrounding areas. Holding on to Helmet, Black Top and Reqin makes the Chinese position(s) around the Spanggur gap untenable.
Blacktop is in much higher elevation and will have direct LOS to the Spangur Lake.
Here is the terrain map mode from google maps. Added points of interest that I know of.
Assuming these features are under our control, then Yes, we are dominating the Spangur Gap.
Despite Chinese cameras and sensors, Indian troops managed to beat PLA in occupying height
New Delhi [India], September 1 (ANI): Despite the presence of cameras and surveillance equipment deployed by the Chinese Army near the height close to Pangong lake southern bank, the Indian Army troops managed to occupy it before the People's Liberation Army (PLA) troops.
www.aninews.in
Now that's how you talk to a bully.
I am liking this transformation.
We just have to keep pushing.
Before the winter takes its toll, we have to ensure we have the advantage over the Chinese in the area in terms of area we control and recover the land lost to salami slicing - where possible.
Depends on how you define "winning". In a single front war, for me, that would be walking into Beijing, or at least pushing the PLA out of Tibet. For someone else, it would be as much as taking back what we define as national borders. For some others, it would be a successful defence of our current positions.
In the first three cases, we are woefully inadequate. In the last, we can do that, possibly more than that.
In a two-front war, we can't defend adequately against China, while we are busy defeating Pakistan. So we can fight a two-front war, but whether we win it or not is up to a lot many factors that we are not privy too, including Ravi.
But the problem is he has decided we can't even take on Pakistan, let alone both, because he's decided the PA have parity with the IA. So the way he concludes his PoV is the problem. He's made it a straight-on numbers game, which is not what modern warfare is about.
His WW1 analogy cannot be applied here. WW2 alone proves him wrong, since the Germans moved their troops to take away Poland, then moved West to defeat France and then moved East again to walk right up to Moscow. And modern warfare brings in new options that the Germans did not have in the 40s.
The capability to hit moving targets from standoff distances was introduced only this decade.
That's where the difference lies. The Pakistanis are unable to compete with us at the LoC itself.
He's dimissed the IAF, puts the PA on the same footing as the IA by only using numbers (no actual consideration to technology or logistics) and then hypothesises that it will take weeks or months to do something that a modern army does in hours or days. He's talking from the perspective of the 70s and the 80s, and all his arguments are built around those days, during the time when networking and precision weapons didn't exist. Using credentials as a crutch is useless when half our capabilities are simply dismissed.
However I don't disagree entirely with what he's actually said in his book. That we need certain amount of numbers to get the job done and that we need a bigger defence budget. But I don't agree with what he's decided on where we need to spend the money on. For example, he focuses more on getting the infantry numbers up, whereas I'd prefer a greater focus on modernising our existing infantry instead. The Chinese, Americans, Russians, everybody are doing exactly the opposite of what Ravi wants done.
Ask @Falcon if you prefer.
Such arguments are useless. You've made this argument because you can't support his views due to your own lack of understanding of what he's said. Since you lack arguments, you've resorted to ad-hominems, which is your typical MO.
He himself points out that his book is beyond the purview of logistics, something you have missed entirely. And that's where he defeats his own argument. He doesn't explain how we are going to support a 72-division force, how Pakistan supports a 25-division force or how the Chinese support a 12-division force. If he breaks down the logistics needed, he will come up with new numbers on his own.
My argument is the army knows more than him. And they have chosen an orbat suitable for the job. I don't know how this simple train of thought escaped you.
Again, ask @Falcon. Not Ravi Rikhye.
That's what he is saying. Doesn't Pakistan have A2G weapons, artillery, tactics, training & technology ?
Why wouldn't China fund them to squeeze & trap us on Western Front ?
Thankfully, underestimating a foe is not something that IA ever indulges even. That why IA always prevails over PA despite have a lot smaller Indian territory-to-IA headount ratio, or population-to-IA headount ratio, as compared to corresponding ratios amongst Pakistanis who have a disproportionate size & budget.
Another matter that all that PA is worth for is indulging in sub-conventional skirmishes, obfuscating/parroting lies, pandering to whims & fancies of their Commie-sugar daddies, or indulging in embezzlement of taxpayers money via Fauji Foundation & parking it in safe havens in distant shores
These guys seriously think anyone would believe they are not after other s territory?
I think they believe they have weight behind what they speak. Even lies have to be accepted by others, as it's spoken by them.
Not everyone is Like Pakistan.
To accept whatever is said to them.
What we have is calm before storm!!!!!!
Such statements from china might embolden ISIS to talk about Gandhian principles
. High time they avoid such irresponsible statement 
Indian Army’s control of hilltops on south bank of Pangong Lake irks China
The Indian Army is in occupation of key hilltops on the south bank of the Pangong Lake. Irked by India’s advantageous position, China is said to have raised the issue of Indian troops fortifying their positions on these hilltops.
By Abhishek Bhalla
New Delhi
UPDATED: September 1, 2020 15:34 IST
India on Monday said it thwarted China's "provocative" military movements on the southern bank of the Pangong lake in eastern Ladakh. (Photo:AP File)
Indian Army’s occupation of three hilltops claimed by Chinese on the south bank of Pangong Lake is what has riled up China after People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troops enhanced deployment close to India’s Thakung base and made attempts to change status quo.
While China has accused India of crossing the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the Indian Army has denied this.
Taking over these hilltops was important to keep the Chinese troops in check as they increased their deployment in areas close to ‘Black Top’ and ‘Helmet’ at LAC on the south bank of LAC threatening fresh incursions to change status quo. By holding these mountain tops, the Indian Army enjoys an advantageous position.
Courtesy: Col Vinayak Bhat (Retd)
At the Brigade Commander-level talks between the two armies taking place over the last two days, China is said to have raised the issue of Indian troops fortifying their positions on these hilltops. At the same time, India has raised concerns about Chinese mobilisation close to the Indian base at Thakung.
Chinese embassy in India claimed that Indian troops trespassed the LAC near the southern bank of the lake in an area called Reqin Pass or Rechin La.
If India is indeed holding on to Rechin La as claimed by China, it means Indian troops are about 3 km inside the Chinese territory. Rechin La is about 2.5 to 3 km from Rezang La, which is on LAC on the Indian side.
Courtesy: Col Vinayak Bhat (Retd)
Chinese embassy spokesperson said, “On August 31, Indian troops violated the consensus reached in previous multi-level engagements and negotiations between China and India, illegally trespassed the Line of Actual Control again at the southern bank of the Pangong Tso Lake and near the Reqin Pass in the western sector of China-India border, and conducted flagrant provocations, which again stirred tension in the border areas,”
Indian Army, meanwhile, remains tight-lipped about details of the operation launched on August 31 to take over the heights under Chinese control.
Months-Long Standoff
India and China have been involved in a standoff since early May with several skirmishes taking place but there has been no use of firearms despite casualties on both sides.
While India has said 20 Indian Army personnel were killed in a clash at Galwan on June 15, China has not made its losses public.
New Friction Points
Sources said new friction points have emerged in the south bank of the lake that had till now remained calm since the standoff between Indian and Chinese armies started in Ladakh in early May in several locations along the LAC.
The Indian Army had enhanced it surveillance and was carrying out constant reconnaissance missions that led to the timely detection of Chinese mobilisation in the southern bank of the Pangong Lake, officials said.
Sources said Indian Army took pre-emptive measures enduring the Chinese army cannot change status quo like they have done in the finger area of the lake and made similar attempts in some other friction points.
“There was no physical contact or brawl like the ones that have happened before,” said an Indian Army official.
The Indian Army issued a statement on August 31 stating that PLA troops on August 29-30 violated the previous consensus agreed in military and diplomatic engagements during the ongoing standoff in eastern Ladakh and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo.
“Indian troops pre-empted this PLA activity on the southern bank of Pangong lake, and undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on the ground," it said.
Officials said Chinese troops attempted to take over some of the strategic heights like they have done in the finger area on the north bank but they were intercepted due to surveillance and intelligence inputs and the advancement was stopped.
www.indiatoday.in
The Indian Army is in occupation of key hilltops on the south bank of the Pangong Lake. Irked by India’s advantageous position, China is said to have raised the issue of Indian troops fortifying their positions on these hilltops.
By Abhishek Bhalla
New Delhi
UPDATED: September 1, 2020 15:34 IST
India on Monday said it thwarted China's "provocative" military movements on the southern bank of the Pangong lake in eastern Ladakh. (Photo:AP File)
Indian Army’s occupation of three hilltops claimed by Chinese on the south bank of Pangong Lake is what has riled up China after People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troops enhanced deployment close to India’s Thakung base and made attempts to change status quo.
While China has accused India of crossing the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the Indian Army has denied this.
Taking over these hilltops was important to keep the Chinese troops in check as they increased their deployment in areas close to ‘Black Top’ and ‘Helmet’ at LAC on the south bank of LAC threatening fresh incursions to change status quo. By holding these mountain tops, the Indian Army enjoys an advantageous position.
Courtesy: Col Vinayak Bhat (Retd)
At the Brigade Commander-level talks between the two armies taking place over the last two days, China is said to have raised the issue of Indian troops fortifying their positions on these hilltops. At the same time, India has raised concerns about Chinese mobilisation close to the Indian base at Thakung.
Chinese embassy in India claimed that Indian troops trespassed the LAC near the southern bank of the lake in an area called Reqin Pass or Rechin La.
If India is indeed holding on to Rechin La as claimed by China, it means Indian troops are about 3 km inside the Chinese territory. Rechin La is about 2.5 to 3 km from Rezang La, which is on LAC on the Indian side.
Courtesy: Col Vinayak Bhat (Retd)
Chinese embassy spokesperson said, “On August 31, Indian troops violated the consensus reached in previous multi-level engagements and negotiations between China and India, illegally trespassed the Line of Actual Control again at the southern bank of the Pangong Tso Lake and near the Reqin Pass in the western sector of China-India border, and conducted flagrant provocations, which again stirred tension in the border areas,”
Indian Army, meanwhile, remains tight-lipped about details of the operation launched on August 31 to take over the heights under Chinese control.
Months-Long Standoff
India and China have been involved in a standoff since early May with several skirmishes taking place but there has been no use of firearms despite casualties on both sides.
While India has said 20 Indian Army personnel were killed in a clash at Galwan on June 15, China has not made its losses public.
New Friction Points
Sources said new friction points have emerged in the south bank of the lake that had till now remained calm since the standoff between Indian and Chinese armies started in Ladakh in early May in several locations along the LAC.
The Indian Army had enhanced it surveillance and was carrying out constant reconnaissance missions that led to the timely detection of Chinese mobilisation in the southern bank of the Pangong Lake, officials said.
Sources said Indian Army took pre-emptive measures enduring the Chinese army cannot change status quo like they have done in the finger area of the lake and made similar attempts in some other friction points.
“There was no physical contact or brawl like the ones that have happened before,” said an Indian Army official.
The Indian Army issued a statement on August 31 stating that PLA troops on August 29-30 violated the previous consensus agreed in military and diplomatic engagements during the ongoing standoff in eastern Ladakh and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo.
“Indian troops pre-empted this PLA activity on the southern bank of Pangong lake, and undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on the ground," it said.
Officials said Chinese troops attempted to take over some of the strategic heights like they have done in the finger area on the north bank but they were intercepted due to surveillance and intelligence inputs and the advancement was stopped.
Indian Army’s control of hilltops on south bank of Pangong Lake irks China
The Indian Army is in occupation of key hilltops on the south bank of the Pangong Lake. Irked by India’s advantageous position, China is said to have raised the issue of Indian troops fortifying their positions on these hilltops.