Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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This type of conclusions by ignoring the overall context really makes the Chinese look 10ft tall. Japan and Australia cannot be compared to India. In there case China has used economic warfare to scare every country it has economic relations with. India is the only country that has actually avoided getting entangled with the Chinese which has resulted in extreme frustration for the Chinese. BRI,CPEC,RCEP China has used every way to trap India economically and India keeps blocking it. We are the only country that are a hindrance to their global supremacy. The "West" has aided the rise of China now they have realised that it's a threat to them but they are overly dependent on China to actually do any real damage. If you think India hasn't been able to cause any damage to the CCP's image you are completely oblivious of how the Chinese think. The Chinese are a race of fragile egos and extremely strong hierarchy. The amount of loss of face they are experiencing right now due to GoI action is unprecedented. Even small countries like Thailand and African nations are openly snubbing them.
China are pretty convinced that we are going to hold our ground. They were expecting capitulation of us like Iraq. They were assuming that dirty low IQ Indians will be scared by big penis power Han technology. The reality is the Himalayas don't care for Han tech. It's a land of hard men unlike ladyboys of the PLA. The Chinese are rattled and have become silent and waiting for an opening to shame India. Our present objective should be to preempt Chinese moves. Liberation of Tibet will happen in the future right now we will have to show that we can threaten the G219 that should be our only objective anything more ambitious won't assist much with the economy we have..
Was expecting this to happen. It will be a repeat of doklam. More structures will be built by the Chinese now. We have lost our element of surprise
They have occupied no man's common land and while we have reacted in the last few days on the ground, it's not enough . My point was that Chinese can gauge whether we are serious about chucking them back but banning a few apps is too low key. They are masters at using their economic clout at the drop of a hat like against Australia and canada.
Our reaction has to be stronger if we are serious about regaining the common ground.
That economy can be used as weapon only against countries that are economically entangled. We are still not as integrated with the Chinese economy as the Japanese or Americans or any other big economies.
You slowly boil the frog there is no sense in pushing them immediately.
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That's the issue right now.
If the Chinese ask for a mutual withdrawal, based on what we were asking for since the beginning, then the govt has a choice to make. Whether to restore status quo ante or create a new status quo based on current positions or perhaps even push forward and take away more from Chinese control.
Regardless of which option is chosen, we are either postponing war or going towards it, not preventing it, since China is being the aggressor, it's up to them to back down regardless of which option we choose. But the worst option for us would be restoring status quo ante, since we know for a fact that any agreement reached with the Chinese will definitely not be respected. I hope previous talks have made it clear to the Chinese that restoring status quo ante was only a temporary option and the rules would change once we make our move.
And personally, I think we need a complete shift in FP. Openly object to One China Policy and demand for the immediate withdrawal of PRC from Tibet. Bring it up aggressively in the UN and change the game entirely. Hell, add Xinjiang to the list as well, for good measure. That will force Muslim countries to become answerable to their own public on Xinjiang.
Our factories are openly preparing for the war effort now. It's no secret.
1. is not an option regardless of what happens. Neither will it change the position on CPEC.
2. is still in play.
3.
. The only thing Pakistan got in return was a more aggressive India.
India's only weakness is the API we import from China. Since 60% is imported from them , it can disrupt our pharmaceutical supply and raise prices of essential medicines.
If we assure api supply of the next 6 months , India can take more effective actions wrt diplomacy and trade against China.
India needs to -
Highlight tibet more.
Increase interaction with Taiwan.
Come out openly against China on the south China sea dispute.
Expel some of their embassy staff.
Basically goad them by crossing all their red lines.
But do it one by one.
Another conciliatory article by China. Good cop , bad cop routine is on.
"The fact that the two defense ministers are sitting face-to-face is in itself a positive signal and provides the necessary atmosphere for the two countries to manage their border disputes and cool down the situation on the ground.
Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi and Indian Minister of External Affairs Subrahmanyam Jaishankar will also plan to meet on September 10. The meeting between Wei and Singh laid an important foundation for the meeting between the two foreign ministers. The complex border issue between China and India cannot be resolved in one meeting, but the role of the two defense ministers will be crucial in cooling border frictions.
China and India are both big powers that have the capacity to mobilize national forces to support a military conflict in the border areas, but at this moment both sides need to calm down and clarify two major issues.
First, China and India have not yet demarcated their borders and the Line of Actual Control (LAC) shouldn't be subject to constant change and different interpretations. The LAC of November 7, 1959 should be the base for both sides."
1959 ? Wont that be advantageous to India ?
Experts weigh in.
If we assure api supply of the next 6 months , India can take more effective actions wrt diplomacy and trade against China.
India needs to -
Highlight tibet more.
Increase interaction with Taiwan.
Come out openly against China on the south China sea dispute.
Expel some of their embassy staff.
Basically goad them by crossing all their red lines.
But do it one by one.
Another conciliatory article by China. Good cop , bad cop routine is on.
Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi and Indian Minister of External Affairs Subrahmanyam Jaishankar will also plan to meet on September 10. The meeting between Wei and Singh laid an important foundation for the meeting between the two foreign ministers. The complex border issue between China and India cannot be resolved in one meeting, but the role of the two defense ministers will be crucial in cooling border frictions.
China and India are both big powers that have the capacity to mobilize national forces to support a military conflict in the border areas, but at this moment both sides need to calm down and clarify two major issues.
First, China and India have not yet demarcated their borders and the Line of Actual Control (LAC) shouldn't be subject to constant change and different interpretations. The LAC of November 7, 1959 should be the base for both sides."
1959 ? Wont that be advantageous to India ?
Experts weigh in.
This is not a place to post astrological predictions and discussions on it. There is a separate thread available for it.
Please keep this strictly on topic.
Please keep this strictly on topic.
An astrological prediction related to a particular thread will need to be posted in that thread only to be relevent.
Let us keep this for LAC related discussion only...... Strictly military and strategic .......No astrology
India's tactical responses to Chinese transgression attempts in Ladakh left China stuck in quicksand: EFSAS | India News - Times of India
India News: India's spirited and tactically sound responses to the Chinese attempts to unilaterally change status quo along the LAC "has left China stuck in a qu
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Previous status quo is no good. There has to be "dont trust" + "verify" for a very long time (across multiple political dispensations) now...its really that simple.
I mean CCP even wanted to change the status quo force basing to be geo-based rather than time based (as it was done/understood before). It shows a clear progression in their arrogance...and escalation in what they want to achieve here.
Arrogance should never sit well and should never be taken on any chin....not with body count on our side like this (whatever it was on their side means nothing given that's on them).
Whatever deal India works out has to be one where there is an actual non-presence of permanent/near PLA hard assets to effect any change in the area, or its a bad deal. This is because this particular area is simply a far more important area strategically to India compared to China (with its heartland much further away)...given close presence of one other adversary.
If no deal worked out, simply have to bunker down like Siachen...and salami slice right back when the opportunities come our way under a sound planning that should be further developed with time.
i.e The whole area is undefined now and we have perception problems with basically all of it....you opened the genie out of bottle, you put it back in.
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At this juncture I would like to thank all thread partcipants thus far, I am not a twitter-follower kind of guy.... so the updates and convo here have been good to follow (whatever I agree/disagree on), its one of my first stops to get a better update on things (alongside BR, Nitin etc) compared to generic loud boorish/vague media.
The SFF has a total strength of upwards of 10,000 men, probably close to 15,000 men inclusive of the 4th Vikas battalion under R&AW. The SFF which participated in 1971 & later operations didn't include 4th Vikas.
The Tibetan ghost warriors
India wrests high ground in Eastern Ladakh with some help from a secret commando force.www.indiatoday.in