Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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Seems like a lot of dirty linen is being washed in public albeit in a dignified manner as opposed to the muck raking which invariably accompanies such incidents.
I have read many articles on 1987 Sumdorung Face Off
All articles mention it as the Courageous Stance of Gen Sundarji
This is the first.time I heard of Gen Sharma' s role
Otherwise.people like Shekhar Gupta would have written about it long back
Secondly I have also read that Deng Xioping invited Gen Sundarji to China
And he went after his retirement
Thirdly , There is a practice in the Government in which the outgoing chief is also asked to make recommendation
About his successor
If Gen Sharma was opposed to and was acting against Both
Rajiv Gandhi and Gen Sundarji , why would He be appointed as next COAS
Chinese have strategic advantages against us. But overall, if they get in a strategic conflict with us it will be a strategic blunder. They have a bigger daemon to deal with too. USA. If in conflict with us, they blew up the their resources and strategic abilities then they won't be able to stand up to USA for quite sometime, possibly till the death of Xi-Ding-Dong. Things do not happen in isolation.
Proposals are a dime a dozen. It is who implements this.
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I always used to think that it is a Pakistani propaganda but after reading all these stuff, it appears to me that 'Dhoti Shivering' is a real phenomenon and its exclusive to New Delhi.
No more re-enforcement on the fronts! Chinese have done all re-enforcement and now South Block is going to show us some धोती शिवरिंग .
And Falcon is offline. Did we bug him too much or did we saw too much too early?
Anyways. Things are on a knife's edge. Lets see if recent धोती शिवरिंग by errr.... well .... You-know-who pacifies the Chinese.
I always used to think that it is a Pakistani propaganda but after reading all these stuff, it appears to me that 'Dhoti Shivering' is a real phenomenon and its exclusive to New Delhi.
Moscow part 2 !
No more re-enforcement on the fronts! Chinese have done all re-enforcement and now South Block is going to show us some धोती शिवरिंग .
And Falcon is offline. Did we bug him too much or did we saw too much too early?
Anyways. Things are on a knife's edge. Lets see if recent धोती शिवरिंग by errr.... well .... You-know-who pacifies the Chinese.
A Sino-India war will barely even put a scratch on Chinese resources.
For a change, GlobalTimes and Indian media are having similar perception of that marathon meeting.
www.theweek.in
Also, the amount of boast in the news is minimum in Global Dimes.
Did Jayshankar capitulate something or did the negotiation go well this time?
India, China agree to stop sending more troops to frontline
The decision came at the sixth round of military talks between the two countries
Also, the amount of boast in the news is minimum in Global Dimes.
Did Jayshankar capitulate something or did the negotiation go well this time?
For a change, GlobalTimes and Indian media are having similar perception of that marathon meeting.
India, China agree to stop sending more troops to frontline
The decision came at the sixth round of military talks between the two countries
Also, the amount of boast in the news is minimum in Global Dimes.
Did Jayshankar capitulate something or did the negotiation go well this time?
They might have decided to cool things down for winter and start again sometime next year.
Could be. It seems South Block is living day by day.
For one thing, they should round up all the past south block bearucrats and confesicate their properties. These *censored*s have put us in this shit.
A good visual repn of forces.
www.belfercenter.org
The Strategic Postures of China and India: A Visual Guide
Fueled by aggressive rhetoric from both capitals, Indian and Chinese ground forces engaged in a standoff between June and August 2017. The Doklam crisis, as it became known, stimulated introspection among officials and experts in both states about the future of their relationship. Politically...
dont think so , there is no way to verify build up of troops unless we are given access to other side. Second thing is they can rapidly build up forces as they have good infra while for us it will take days to get there. There should be nothing short of reverting to status quo that existed before. They will keep coming with one or the other tricks to keep their gains.
Rapid buildup for the Chinese might be difficult in winters. They have already started showing health issues. For India too this will be a costly affair and they might want to save some money for another time.
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I believe we can hold off the Chinese but if USAF to be located, it will be Kalaikunda AF where already F-17s from Singapore are stationed. Not much logistical problem for USA
I believe we can hold off the Chinese but if USAF to be located, it will be Kalaikunda AF where already F-17s from Singapore are stationed. Not much logistical problem for USA
IF and When such a step has to be taken , we will need to hand over a base close to Delhi
That is because , there will be several flights carrying personnel and Equipment plus the usual Diplomatic
And CIA entourage
Then the distance from the Air base to China border must be within the Combat Radius of F 15s otherwise You need Refuellers
A large part of the annual Bill has to be footed by the. Host country , I guess
But Two front situation is a reality now
The ONLY question left to be answered is Whether we can handle it all alone
India, China: Some progress in military talks on border spat
AIJAZ HUSSAIN
September 22, 2020, 9:59 PM
FILE- This Sept. 14, 2018 file photo shows Pangong Lake in Ladakh region, India. Senior Indian and Chinese military commanders are holding talks Monday to find ways to resolve a monthslong tense standoff between the rival soldiers along their disputed mountain border in mountainous Ladakh region. (AP Photo/Manish Swarup, File)More
SRINAGAR, India (AP) — Senior military commanders from India and China have agreed to not add more troops along their fast-militarizing disputed border in the mountainous Ladakh region where the two Asian giants are locked in a bitter months-long standoff, the sides said late Tuesday.
The joint statement released after talks said the two sides also agreed to “strengthen communication on the ground” and “avoid misunderstandings and misjudgments” along the lengthy contested border known as the Line of Actual Control. However, it did not mention any breakthrough during the talks about their forces disengaging from the standoff as they had earlier committed.
The standoff in the cold desert of Ladakh began in May and escalated in June to the deadliest violence between the two sides in decades — a clash on a high ridge in which soldiers used clubs, stones and their fists. Twenty Indian soldiers were killed and dozens of others were injured. China is believed to have also suffered casualties but did not provide any details.
The rival countries have amassed tens of thousands of soldiers, backed by artilleries, tanks and fighter jets in the Ladakh area following the deadly standoff.
After that clash, the two countries partially disengaged from the site in Ladakh’s Galwan Valley and at least two other places, but the crisis has continued in at least three other areas, including the glacial Pangong Lake.
In recent weeks, the world’s two most populous nations have accused each other of sending soldiers into each other’s territory in the Pangong area and firing warning shots for the first time in 45 years, raising the specter of a full-scale military conflict.
Despite several rounds of talks by military, diplomatic and political officials, including negotiations between the two countries’ foreign and defense ministers in Moscow this month, the border tensions have persisted.
The commanders held discussions on Monday for about 14 hours.
The statement issued by the defense ministries of the two sides Tuesday said they have agreed to “stop sending more troops to the frontline.” It said the two countries will hold a seventh round of military commander-level talks “as soon as possible” and “jointly safeguard peace and tranquility in the border area.”
The statement said the commanders agreed to “earnestly implement the important consensus reached by the leaders of the two countries.”
Monday’s military-level talks came less than two weeks after the two nations’ foreign ministers met on Sept. 10 and agreed that their troops should disengage from the tense border standoff, maintain proper distance and ease tensions.
The foreign ministers did not set a timeline for disengagement, nor did Tuesday’s statement mention one.
Military experts have repeatedly warned that any mistake or miscalculation from either side could have disastrous consequences.
Neither India and China have provided much information, but media in the two countries, India especially, have extensively covered the escalating tension, which has dramatically changed their bilateral relations. Long wary of economic domination by China, India has in recent weeks banned Chinese cell phone apps including TikTok and taken other steps to rein in Chinese influence.
Relations between the two countries have often been strained, partly due to their undemarcated border. They fought a border war in 1962 that spilled into Ladakh and ended in an uneasy truce. Since then, troops have guarded the undefined border while occasionally brawling. The two countries have agreed not to attack each other with firearms.
The fiercely contested control line separates Chinese- and Indian-held territories from Ladakh in the west to India’s eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh, which China claims in its entirety. It is broken in parts where the Himalayan nations of Nepal and Bhutan border China.
According to India, the de facto border is 3,488 kilometers (2,167 miles) long, while China says it is considerably shorter. As its name suggests, it divides the areas of physical control rather than territorial claims.
AIJAZ HUSSAIN
September 22, 2020, 9:59 PMFILE- This Sept. 14, 2018 file photo shows Pangong Lake in Ladakh region, India. Senior Indian and Chinese military commanders are holding talks Monday to find ways to resolve a monthslong tense standoff between the rival soldiers along their disputed mountain border in mountainous Ladakh region. (AP Photo/Manish Swarup, File)More
SRINAGAR, India (AP) — Senior military commanders from India and China have agreed to not add more troops along their fast-militarizing disputed border in the mountainous Ladakh region where the two Asian giants are locked in a bitter months-long standoff, the sides said late Tuesday.
The joint statement released after talks said the two sides also agreed to “strengthen communication on the ground” and “avoid misunderstandings and misjudgments” along the lengthy contested border known as the Line of Actual Control. However, it did not mention any breakthrough during the talks about their forces disengaging from the standoff as they had earlier committed.
The standoff in the cold desert of Ladakh began in May and escalated in June to the deadliest violence between the two sides in decades — a clash on a high ridge in which soldiers used clubs, stones and their fists. Twenty Indian soldiers were killed and dozens of others were injured. China is believed to have also suffered casualties but did not provide any details.
The rival countries have amassed tens of thousands of soldiers, backed by artilleries, tanks and fighter jets in the Ladakh area following the deadly standoff.
After that clash, the two countries partially disengaged from the site in Ladakh’s Galwan Valley and at least two other places, but the crisis has continued in at least three other areas, including the glacial Pangong Lake.
In recent weeks, the world’s two most populous nations have accused each other of sending soldiers into each other’s territory in the Pangong area and firing warning shots for the first time in 45 years, raising the specter of a full-scale military conflict.
Despite several rounds of talks by military, diplomatic and political officials, including negotiations between the two countries’ foreign and defense ministers in Moscow this month, the border tensions have persisted.
The commanders held discussions on Monday for about 14 hours.
The statement issued by the defense ministries of the two sides Tuesday said they have agreed to “stop sending more troops to the frontline.” It said the two countries will hold a seventh round of military commander-level talks “as soon as possible” and “jointly safeguard peace and tranquility in the border area.”
The statement said the commanders agreed to “earnestly implement the important consensus reached by the leaders of the two countries.”
Monday’s military-level talks came less than two weeks after the two nations’ foreign ministers met on Sept. 10 and agreed that their troops should disengage from the tense border standoff, maintain proper distance and ease tensions.
The foreign ministers did not set a timeline for disengagement, nor did Tuesday’s statement mention one.
Military experts have repeatedly warned that any mistake or miscalculation from either side could have disastrous consequences.
Neither India and China have provided much information, but media in the two countries, India especially, have extensively covered the escalating tension, which has dramatically changed their bilateral relations. Long wary of economic domination by China, India has in recent weeks banned Chinese cell phone apps including TikTok and taken other steps to rein in Chinese influence.
Relations between the two countries have often been strained, partly due to their undemarcated border. They fought a border war in 1962 that spilled into Ladakh and ended in an uneasy truce. Since then, troops have guarded the undefined border while occasionally brawling. The two countries have agreed not to attack each other with firearms.
The fiercely contested control line separates Chinese- and Indian-held territories from Ladakh in the west to India’s eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh, which China claims in its entirety. It is broken in parts where the Himalayan nations of Nepal and Bhutan border China.
According to India, the de facto border is 3,488 kilometers (2,167 miles) long, while China says it is considerably shorter. As its name suggests, it divides the areas of physical control rather than territorial claims.