Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Golden_Rule said:
Why not. Even if you get 100 drones intruding from Chinese side, with each Rafale carrying over a dozen BVR for a dedicated A2A mission to bring down those many Drones. If I am not mistaken, even the MKIs can track over 10 targets at a time and hence they can also do a dedicated A2A mission to bring down those many drones.

I do not think there is any scenario that the Indian forces have not gamed.
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There are two flaws with that theory -

a) Cost - The drones which will be coming in are super cheap (talking about the quad copter style ones - which few days back the Chinese were using for food delivery), and our BVR missiles are super expensive and apart from Astra, all imported. How do you see this panning out, if we use our BVR AAMs to take out their cheap drones?

b) Numbers - Again, if we exhaust our AAMs to take out their drones, how do we replenish during the conflict? How many can we get and how fast?
Remember, it is not just the drones, they have an airforce of conventional jets as well. With the above strategy, we won't have any missiles left soon enough to take out their main stay jets/bombers.
 
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Defc0n said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1310755390200541184

THREAD.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1310761398687862785

THREAD.

Question -

Drones are a force multiplier, using swarms of food delivery drones with explosives will be a nightmare scenario. How do you defend against something like that? Even if you have Helicopters with AAMs, imagine the number of helicopters needed to shoot down a swarm of 100 drones!

Also, it is very easy to overwhelm the opposite side if you have truck loads of drone with you for use.

What's the solution? At present, how can IAF counter this?

@Falcon @vstol Jockey
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I predicted same scenario in May on another forum that PLA will use swarms of drones. Solution is simple, use AA guns. These drones are slow moving targets, no need to waste missiles on it.

Killbot said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1310770754158354432

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PLA has also become twitter army like PA. Just tweets and more tweets, playing songs, fight with sticks and stones and hide casualties. I guess Ghatak commandos did scar PLA Generals for lifetime. 🤣🤣
 
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Defc0n said:
How do you defend against something like that?
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You may find it surprising, but this old baby from ww2 are exactly what you need to hunt drones down.

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Cheap and extremely effective against low-powered aircrafts like drones.

Lastly, massive broadband jammers and GPS spoofers.
 
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Cole_phelps said:
I predicted same scenario in May on another forum that PLA will use swarms of drones. Solution is simple, use AA guns. These drones are slow moving targets, no need to waste missiles on it.
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Saaho said:
You may find it surprising, but this old baby from ww2 are exactly what you need to hunt drones down.

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Cheap and extremely effective against low-powered aircrafts like drones.
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Is it possible to overwhelm these AA guns? If you have a large enough swarm, approximately how many AA battery you will need to tackle these?
Under no circumstance will it be possible to shoot down all of them. Some will get through. But yeah, this is more feasible than firing AAMs on drones.
Still, the drones will have a nuisance quotient associated with it. No matter what you do, it will still manage to cause some irritation.
 
Defc0n said:
Is it possible to overwhelm these AA guns? If you have a large enough swarm, approximately how many AA battery you will need to tackle these?
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Its a question of resources. If I can put 300 rounds in air for the cost of 1 drone while guns are almost for free (vintage hardware), then I am already on the way to win.
Defc0n said:
Still, the drones will have a nuisance quotient associated with it. No matter what you do, it will still manage to cause some irritation.
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Cost vs benefit.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1310770754158354432

How many "wars" this guys has fought himself? I bet he didn't see even on deployment in say Ladakh.
 
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Defc0n said:
There are two flaws with that theory -

a) Cost - The drones which will be coming in are super cheap (talking about the quad copter style ones - which few days back the Chinese were using for food delivery), and our BVR missiles are super expensive and apart from Astra, all imported. How do you see this panning out, if we use our BVR AAMs to take out their cheap drones?

b) Numbers - Again, if we exhaust our AAMs to take out their drones, how do we replenish during the conflict? How many can we get and how fast?
Remember, it is not just the drones, they have an airforce of conventional jets as well. With the above strategy, we won't have any missiles left soon enough to take out their main stay jets/bombers.
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Well I do not think the post to whom I replied intended a Quadcopter. It mentioned about armed drones, he is talking of "armed drones that can be employed for strike mission", which means something of the type of armed Predator, maybe not that sophisticated.

For sure, you cannot use a BVR to bring down a Quad Copter :) . A QC cannot release any kind of missile, at most it can carry gravity bombs. I am sure we have some short range EMP weapons or Electronic Jammers to tackle such slow moving menace.
 
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From the discussions here, it seems India will not be able to hold China if a war breaks out. Randomradio is known for him optimism but here for the first time I sensed concern and to some extent hopelessness in his post.
 
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I respect him for this. Despite being a lobbyist he is a true nationalist. Pravin Sawhney should learn something from him.
vstol Jockey said:
Let us not confuse the Armenia-Azer war with India-China war. The amount of EW and countermeasures which we can employ will make the drones useless in any full fledged war. Quadcopters can be easily shot down with just rifles.
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I still think that drones are cheapest way of destroying enemy ADS and armour. We loose nothing apart from money if a drone is get shot. But enemy looses a very valuable asset if even single strike of drone hits a target.
 
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Golden_Rule said:
For sure, you cannot use a BVR to bring down a Quad Copter :) . A QC cannot release any kind of missile, at most it can carry gravity bombs. I am sure we have some short range EMP weapons or Electronic Jammers to tackle such slow moving menace.
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A shotgun works wonder on a quadcopter. Those pellet gun which make Kashmiri behave can make drones behave too.
 
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Saaho said:
Its a question of resources. If I can put 300 rounds in air for the cost of 1 drone while guns are almost for free (vintage hardware), then I am already on the way to win
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In a area of 500sq km and drone flying at 30k feet where all will you place the AA guns? how do you plan to resupply them and how often ?
AA guns only offer a partial soln and they will soon be stretched out or overwhelmed. More over drones will be able to see your AA guns before you can see them and if there is cloud cover then you will need to sit & pray. Just few drones escaping past your defending line is good enough to cause more damage.
 
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