Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Mid day carried a similar write up. The Chinese have figured out Indian media pretty well. Haddi feko tamasha dekho.

The Chinese have a well defined strategy

They say " We will use Your own Social
Economic , Political and Legal systems against you "

For example against India they use CPM and Congress party along with some media outlets like Hindu

In US they even use the legal process to
Challenge deportations and Visa Bans

They got a stay against Tik Tok from a court

Democratic countries take a long time
In Mobilising public opinion against external threats


China wants Biden to win and Congress back in power in India

What ManMohan Singh was for Pakistan ; the same role will be played by Rahul Gandhi
 
We cannot go to a large scale war with Either Pakistan or China because of our SOCIETAL MINDSET

Then my fellow citizens are not cockroaches to keep dying. Just do a final settlement even if that means losing land, disband the armed forces and keep them to minimal and spend money on something more meaningful.

Just STOP presenting your cowardice as victories and fooling the nation that you are ready for two and many front wars.

After spending 70 billion dollars a year, our forces didn't find a firing solution against a force with 5 billion budget. Where does societal mindset comes into picture here? Society paid these 70 billion dollars, they did there work, the echelons at forces doesn't. Why we should keep these incompetent feeding on soldiers lives?
 
Then my fellow citizens are not cockroaches to keep dying. Just do a final settlement even if that means losing land, disband the armed forces and keep them to minimal and spend money on something more meaningful.

Just STOP presenting your cowardice as victories and fooling the nation that you are ready for two and many front wars.

After spending 70 billion dollars a year, our forces didn't find a firing solution against a force with 5 billion budget. Where does societal mindset comes into picture here? Society paid these 70 billion dollars, they did there work, the echelons at forces doesn't. Why we should keep these incompetent feeding on soldiers lives?

You are conflating All kinds of Issues

Your anger is Mis Directed
 
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Then my fellow citizens are not cockroaches to keep dying. Just do a final settlement even if that means losing land, disband the armed forces and keep them to minimal and spend money on something more meaningful.

Just STOP presenting your cowardice as victories and fooling the nation that you are ready for two and many front wars.

After spending 70 billion dollars a year, our forces didn't find a firing solution against a force with 5 billion budget. Where does societal mindset comes into picture here? Society paid these 70 billion dollars, they did there work, the echelons at forces doesn't. Why we should keep these incompetent feeding on soldiers lives?

Everyone dies. And as far as India is concerned, there is higher probability of a civilian dying on a road accident than a jawan dying on border with enemy bullet. Also the family of civilian will get no support afterwards . anyways why join military at the first place when you seek a safe secure life?
 
Dude, this is not war but making our soldiers as cannon fodder. It seems you are good to have our soldiers die if they also keep losing on their men.

Are we meeting any objective here?

A country shelling on our post inside our territory, killing our soldiers, help me understand why it should not be treated as an ACT OF WAR?

Because we do the same to them. We have escalated to 155mm in the recent past due to their provocations. They can flip it back at us.
 

General SawhEINSTIEN --- as he is now a days called predicts War in 2025

He's not completely wrong. Art 370 was the reason China thought of J&K as buffer zone as most of the infra work was usually stalled by state govt. Other than that, locals kept IA, other security agencies, Indian media and political class busy within valley. Once peace returned to UT J&K, natural outcome would be looking outwards, specially LAC with China neglected till now.

This didn't go well with China seeing us breaking out of our distractions and actually building up narrative of taking back PoK, with Aksai chin slipped in quietly.

I believe we might have planned abrogation of art 370 and 35A in Sept/Oct 2019 due to China factor but Trump's loose tongue expedited it.
 
You are conflating All kinds of Issues

Your anger is Mis Directed

I lost 3 of my countrymen today, I refuse to just bark on Pakistan.

Because we do the same to them. We have escalated to 155mm in the recent past due to their provocations. They can flip it back at us.

I am not interested in this you kill my 2 and I will kill your 2 game. Its not us who are dying, its a poor soldier of a poor family who does.

Everyone dies. And as far as India is concerned, there is higher probability of a civilian dying on a road accident than a jawan dying on border with enemy bullet. Also the family of civilian will get no support afterwards . anyways why join military at the first place when you seek a safe secure life?

Do you differentiate between a murder and an accident?
 
I am not interested in this you kill my 2 and I will kill your 2 game. Its not us who are dying, its a poor soldier of a poor family who does.

I second that. I am more of a fix the problem in one go guy. Our inability to force a closure to the issue has cost us dearly in men and material.

We can get more material but losing so many men regularly is a pain. We should take out the root of the problem.

The only point I was making is, both sides dont give a hoot to the border norms now. We did earlier but now if we see a launch pad we hit it hard with anything thats lying around including 155s. If we do that cannot cry foul over the other guy shelling us.

The only way out is crossing the line and pushing them out. If we can restore the original borders with Kashmir, Pindi comes in range. Let them try shelling then.
 
He's not completely wrong. Art 370 was the reason China thought of J&K as buffer zone as most of the infra work was usually stalled by state govt. Other than that, locals kept IA, other security agencies, Indian media and political class busy within valley. Once peace returned to UT J&K, natural outcome would be looking outwards, specially LAC with China neglected till now.

This didn't go well with China seeing us breaking out of our distractions and actually building up narrative of taking back PoK, with Aksai chin slipped in quietly.

I believe we might have planned abrogation of art 370 and 35A in Sept/Oct 2019 due to China factor but Trump's loose tongue expedited it.
yeah it was article 370 which made china occupy tibet as well. chinese are slowly creeping and gobbling up territory, it was our improvement in border infra that brought that into notice. Now they want us to stop that so they continue their salami land grab.
 
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I second that. I am more of a fix the problem in one go guy. Our inability to force a closure to the issue has cost us dearly in men and material.

We can get more material but losing so many men regularly is a pain. We should take out the root of the problem.

The only point I was making is, both sides dont give a hoot to the border norms now. We did earlier but now if we see a launch pad we hit it hard with anything thats lying around including 155s. If we do that cannot cry foul over the other guy shelling us.

The only way out is crossing the line and pushing them out. If we can restore the original borders with Kashmir, Pindi comes in range. Let them try shelling then.

The core problem is totally political in nature.
Assume - Kashmir issue is solved & Pakistan is no longer a threat. For the political class, this is not a very good news - now they have one less item on their plate to use for their political gains, during elections. People are very easily swayed the moment "Pakistan" is brought to limelight, so if that "Hated Villain" is no longer part of the equation, what can they use in its place, something which will have an equally strong effect?

If our politicians had the will, we wouldn't have squandered all the opportunities we got - once is a mistake, twice is carelessness, after that it is sheer deliberation. I don't belive we backed out of solving the Pak issue out being all good and righteous, but we did coz we (our politicians) don't want this to get resolved. The constant loss of life and property at the LOC, and the economic cost of it and the lives of the people living near border are secondary.

In Pakistan, their government i.e. their army & ISI and our politicians are guilty of the same thing. Using the border issue for their own gains, for Pak it is lavish lifestyle of their army heads and here, it is political agenda.

Neither has any government solved the issue in past nor will any government solve it in future.
All the bluster and verbal fireworks before election is just that - means to an end for the party in question. Also, I am not targeting any specific party, all the political parties - past, present who have been in power is guilty of the above. I believe, those who will come in future, will follow the same path.
 
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Can someone explain if this is Indian Post or Chinese. This is opposite Old Dhola Post (1962)
Coordinates: 27.8128633, 91.6805813