Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

we dont need to redirect anyone. The battle with Pakistan will be fought in Plains of Punjab and Rajasthan desert. While LAC needs just a holding battle in case it turns to two front war.
But people here in Punjab (especially farmers) are living in fool's paradise. Blocking roads and railway routes against farm bills. They are ready for long haul. Will this affect in any way like transportation of Army and heavy equipments? What do you think?
 
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Brigs means Bragadiers and not Brigades.

I never meant brigades either.

I think we are waiting for Winter

Winter will Do Two Things

It will Expose the Chinese Soldiers Physical Vulnerabilities

And it will make Chinese Interference Impossible , That is why Gen Maneckshaw in 1971 Chose DECEMBER for his War against Pakistan

Also US position will become clear

What would be your take if India do nothing in winters either?
 
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Lets leave everything else aside and stick to this. Shall we? So from 1990 till date, we never had money to develop and produce a decent rifle for infantry? You know, rifle is as basic as it gets. Hell, we are not even able to produce AK-47s locally for infantry.

I challenge you to prove that India lacks money to develop and manufacture a rifle and has been lacking money since 1990 till date. Our forces are still having a stupid INSAS designed in 80s and failed miserably. It cannot take 30 years to retire a broken rifle and replace it with a quality one. It cann't take 10s of billions of dollars to do that, especially in India with labor so cheap. It won't take Phd to manufacture a rifle or operate a metal stamping press. It cann't require AEEESEEEAAAAAA radar technology to produce such a rifle. Its not as captial extensive that India cann't do it. Must be something else. Most likely, incompetence.

Is this your only argument? We suck 'cause we can't produce a rifle, whereas we just created and tested a unique anti-sub missile that has no other equivalent in the world?
 
We are forgetting the relationship of France and U.S. India can have a similar or even a more free arrangement with the Americans where we can choose which wars to fight. Similar to the Germans and French who avoided Vietnam but were part of the Gulf war. Also We could very well be a mediator between the Americans and the Russians in a future scenario. We have a lot more cards than we are trying to see.

You are the one who's actually forgetting the relationship between France and the US. France quit NATO's integrated command in 1966 and rejoined NATO as a full member only in 2009.

Joining an alliance with the US is a one-sided affair. Look at the joke that was SEATO. It was merely an American tool to mobilise other countries to fight American wars, which obviously utterly failed. Even Pakistan learned it the hard way. They joined SEATO in the hopes that the US, UK, France and Australia could interfere militarily in case of a conflict with India. The alliance was designed to be used against India as a secondary objective, whereas the primary objective was to control Southeast Asia. For Pakistan, SEATO is to India what NATO is to the Soviets. It utterly failed. I wonder if you even knew the West had created an anti-India military alliance in the past.
 
we dont need to redirect anyone. The battle with Pakistan will be fought in Plains of Punjab and Rajasthan desert. While LAC needs just a holding battle in case it turns to two front war.

@Falcon had pointed this a few months ago. It will take 2 weeks to take back PoK through mountains or 1 week via the plains. But any action through the mountains will see us bogged down due to the snow in the winter months as well. So the plains it is.
 
Their expectation is possibly that all of the above can be achieved between 2025-30. And this will free up their resources to counter the Americans and their allies in the Pacific. By 2030, the Chinese expect to match USN presence in the Pacific, and by 2035, they likely expect to surpass it. And by 2049, they expect global domination, by being able to invest as much or more in the navy as any regional or global power in any world ocean.

This article is the push back from the US to what China is planning to do by then.

By that measure, the Chinese may be aiming to be a 1000-ship navy before 2049.
 
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Is this your only argument? We suck 'cause we can't produce a rifle, whereas we just created and tested a unique anti-sub missile that has no other equivalent in the world?
Do not deflect the question. If it is always the money, then why we do not have a half way decent rifle for our forces?
 
You are the one who's actually forgetting the relationship between France and the US. France quit NATO's integrated command in 1966 and rejoined NATO as a full member only in 2009.

Joining an alliance with the US is a one-sided affair. Look at the joke that was SEATO. It was merely an American tool to mobilise other countries to fight American wars, which obviously utterly failed. Even Pakistan learned it the hard way. They joined SEATO in the hopes that the US, UK, France and Australia could interfere militarily in case of a conflict with India. The alliance was designed to be used against India as a secondary objective, whereas the primary objective was to control Southeast Asia. For Pakistan, SEATO is to India what NATO is to the Soviets. It utterly failed. I wonder if you even knew the West had created an anti-India military alliance in the past.
So it doesn't change the fact the we are getting in this alliance to be against China and control South East Asia. What happened in the past has happened we should move on and focus on what the situation is in present. We can always get out if we want to. The French have a seperate command in Nato so they have much more autonomy we can take advantage of that. And quad seems far less rigid than nato or seato in its present stage. And for all the strategic autonomy we keep harping about our governments literally have repeatedly handed over our autonomy to the U.S in the past because of incompetence of our leadership which would experience meltdowns heck even the Soviets had an unregulated amount of influence in India till the 90's the funny part is it's not even discussed and called as strategic autonomy. Also please don't compare Pakistan to us. At no stage was Pakistan a serious heavyweight like India. The Pakistanis were always meant to be used as puppets. India won't be arm-twisted provided the leadership actually has balls to handle the Americans which fortunately even the most incompetent of our diplomats is capable of compared to China.
 
So it doesn't change the fact the we are getting in this alliance to be against China and control South East Asia. What happened in the past has happened we should move on and focus on what the situation is in present. We can always get out if we want to. The French have a seperate command in Nato so they have much more autonomy we can take advantage of that. And quad seems far less rigid than nato or seato in its present stage. And for all the strategic autonomy we keep harping about our governments literally have repeatedly handed over our autonomy to the U.S in the past because of incompetence of our leadership which would experience meltdowns heck even the Soviets had an unregulated amount of influence in India till the 90's the funny part is it's not even discussed and called as strategic autonomy. Also please don't compare Pakistan to us. At no stage was Pakistan a serious heavyweight like India. The Pakistanis were always meant to be used as puppets. India won't be arm-twisted provided the leadership actually has balls to handle the Americans which fortunately even the most incompetent of our diplomats is capable of compared to China.

You will find out after you join that it's the American way or the highway.

Becoming a puppet has nothing to do with size or capability. Iran is nobody's puppet for example, but Japan has been an American puppet since the end of WW2. We fulfill all the criterias of becoming an American puppet. Most of it is primarily to do with the extreme levels of slave-mentality still pervasive within our society. Our civilian leadership will gladly give up our autonomy if it means someone else will handle difficult stuff, like security, this way they can concentrate on winning domestic elections, which is a big chore in a country like India and takes away most of the time and effort of our leadership.

Combine that with our pacificist ideology, dollops of slave-mentality and pre-existing American soft power in the minds of young Indians, even the people will gladly accept this as status quo over a very short period of time.

The only govts that truly understand the Americans are the French and the Russians. And they successfully navigate through American pressure time and time again because of that. Everybody else, including the Chinese, are quite helpless against the Americans. The Chinese are in fact always on the backfoot, even though they have now started matching American heft in the military sphere.
You are still deflecting the question: How come not having enough money is the reason that India does not have a decent service rifle for more than 30 years?

Because your question is very stupid and has nothing to do with the topic.
 
Because your question is very stupid and has nothing to do with the topic.
LOL! Rather it is very apt. The system which cannot even produce a working rifle for its infantry certainly is not constrained by money.

Lets face it, the questions that you cann't answer automatically become "stupid".

Also, if "warships" are relevant in a thread on tibet and LAC then decent service rifle (or rather lack thereof) is way more relevant. Or are you suggesting that somehow you will deploy destroyers and cruisers in that lake?
 
You will find out after you join that it's the American way or the highway.

Becoming a puppet has nothing to do with size or capability. Iran is nobody's puppet for example, but Japan has been an American puppet since the end of WW2. We fulfill all the criterias of becoming an American puppet. Most of it is primarily to do with the extreme levels of slave-mentality still pervasive within our society. Our civilian leadership will gladly give up our autonomy if it means someone else will handle difficult stuff, like security, this way they can concentrate on winning domestic elections, which is a big chore in a country like India and takes away most of the time and effort of our leadership.

Combine that with our pacificist ideology, dollops of slave-mentality and pre-existing American soft power in the minds of young Indians, even the people will gladly accept this as status quo over a very short period of time.

The only govts that truly understand the Americans are the French and the Russians. And they successfully navigate through American pressure time and time again because of that. Everybody else, including the Chinese, are quite helpless against the Americans. The Chinese are in fact always on the backfoot, even though they have now started matching American heft in the military sphere.
So South koreans are slaves of USA?
Japanese are slaves of USA?
British are slaves of USA?
Israel is slave of USA?

Remember many of these countries aligned with USA when they were either war devastated or facing immediate annihilation.

Hell lets take the classical slave of USA, as portrayed by our media -- Pakistan.

Pakistan did the following :
1. Attacked us over many times : '65, '71, '99.
2. Keeps on pushing terrorists in India.
3. Uses "defensive" F-16s to invade and teach IAF a lesson in absolute humility.
4. Gets to keep their win : in 1963 in Gujrat, in 1999 few peaks in Kashmir.
5. Gets to go nuclear, even if official US policy was to not accept any new nuclear powers?

Where does our "freedom" leaves us?
Fighting F-16s with ancient russian junk and crashed more than windows 95?
Or a service rifle that shoots oil ... on its own shooter?
Expired consumables in pilots cockpits?
"Light Russian Tanks" that no one else want to buy?
Endless emergency purchases? Each time worse than last time.
Returning ANY advances that we made with the price of blood? Shimla agreement anyone? 65 Tashkent anyone?
Turning cheap Iranian oil away because we are afraid of American sanctions?

If being slave gets me F-16, lets me kick Pakistan hard and gain territory, Keep China at bay, then bloody so be it. Whats the point of having an independent foreign policy that never yields any benefits to India? We are having all the cons of American hegemony without having any pros of American alliance.
 
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LOL! Rather it is very apt. The system which cannot even produce a working rifle for its infantry certainly is not constrained by money.

Lets face it, the questions that you cann't answer automatically become "stupid".

Also, if "warships" are relevant in a thread on tibet and LAC then decent service rifle (or rather lack thereof) is way more relevant. Or are you suggesting that somehow you will deploy destroyers and cruisers in that lake?

You don't know anything about the "system".
 
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You don't know anything about the "system".
I know more than you can ever know about it.

Now please, address the question : How come not having enough money is the reason that India does not have a decent service rifle for more than 30 years?