Not sure whey the Chinese with all their hight quality rifles, 5th gen fighters , amazing Drones , super duper Attack helicopters , light weight tanks .... choose not to fight a inferior IA with INSAS, Arjun and Mig-21 for the past 6 months in LAC and choosing global times and twitter .
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Not sure whey the Chinese with all their hight quality rifles, 5th gen fighters , amazing Drones , super duper Attack helicopters , light weight tanks .... choose not to fight a inferior IA with INSAS, Arjun and Mig-21 for the past 6 months in LAC and choosing global times and twitter .
Because they are most likely propping up cheap thugs of Pakistan to do their dirty work. They have covered land till their 1959 claim line. Next they will get thugs of Pakistan to push into India and force India to re-deploy some of its forces to west side. If they are wiser and more importantly Pakistani a bit dumber then they will even bribe Pakistani to use nuclear weapons against India. Finally, with India Pakistan being spent in war, they will capture more Indian territories and will use that as a bargain chip for favourable peace treaty with India.
Fighting by proxy, Chinese style.
Don't you think China has already achieved its objective? Lets take a simple example -
You and your neighbour (say your adjacent building) and regularly fight on which part of the land belongs to you and which part belongs to your neighbour as you want to construct a wall in between. (Yeah stupid example, but this will have to do).
Now one fine morning, you take the initiative and construct a wall on their land (you know it's their land) wait.
Now, it's up to your neighbour to break that wall if they are not OK with it. If your neighbour doesn't break that wall, don't you think that you have achieved what you wanted?
Is there any further action required on your part?
Now, think about the situation at the LAC - India and China didn't have a well marked border. There was a stretch of land which both countries had access to and used to act as the buffer zone - to avoid conflicts. Now, China has occupied that land, so it is no longer accessible to India.
Isn't it up to us to dislodge them? If we don't/can't evict them, they have already got what they wanted, why would they wan't to fight us and inflict casualty on their own troops?
On the other hand, China needs to keep India busy in the long run - hence arming Pakistan to the teeth.
We will see increased hostility from Pakistan army in the LOC area. As per @vstol Jockey we have wiped out two of their brigs in last two weeks - question is, does that deter them, even, does't that make any difference to them? They are cannon fodder, they know it. They will do what they are told by their Chinese masters. India needs to take decisive action against Pakistan or else, like always, we will analyse the sh*t out of another f*ckup of our administration and military in this forum, in the coming years and things will go on exactly how China wants to.
We are in a net loss of land, not sure what your definition of stare down is. The ball is in our court not theirs.
I heard we have wiped out whole Pakistan and its of no threat to us anymore.
China achieved what they want ........ but mysteriously started asking India to restore Status Quo after Aug 29th/30th
. Btw, IA has been preparing from almost a decade for the 2 front scenario , so stop projecting it like IA realized a 2 front scenario only after May 2020 .
Brigs means Bragadiers and not Brigades.
China occupied areas which had very less tactical advantage, what we occupied has very high tactical advantage and also the territory occupied by us is larger in area.China achieved what they want ........ but mysteriously started asking India to restore Status Quo after Aug 29th/30th
Why has India’s China policy been such a failure? Question New Delhi’s assumptions first
Given the enormous power differential, China is expanding its influence. But India’s behaviour is difficult to explain.
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The latest from PKS is that China never intended to take back areas of it's 1959 claim line or more, parts of which it voluntarily vacated after occupation post the unilateral cease fire in 1962 but merely aimed to tie down IA while Pakistan would formally merge GB in the state of Pakistan.
According to him , The PLA formations amassed on the LAC lack classic elements of what's required to annex territory & the same holds true for mirror deployments of the IA. Whether & how long the present status quo would continue is left unsaid.
But going by his statements, what's being conveyed is China would not initiate any further hostilities for now. Of course, this is PKS we're talking about & if he indeed does make such a statement or hints at it & China does actually undertake such action, he'd wriggle out of his self inflicted predicament with much more finesse than escape artists out here in the habit of making routine optimistic predictions.
That aside, what're your views on it? @Falcon
That India would actually undertake Operation Get PoJ&K upon Pakistan officially making these territories part of it is to my mind a fundamental flaw in assumption on the way the Indian government - any government thinks & operates , a view fleshed out in some detail by this insightful article whose link I've attached.
This is exactly what I had meant when I posted that we must now go ahead and take down Pakistan as PLA is not in a position to move forward and the moment we take out Pakistan, PLA will withdraw. Because after that we will be able to move much larger troops to LAC and China will have no chance whatsoever in a war with India.Why has India’s China policy been such a failure? Question New Delhi’s assumptions first
Given the enormous power differential, China is expanding its influence. But India’s behaviour is difficult to explain.
The latest from PKS is that China never intended to take back areas of it's 1959 claim line or more, parts of which it voluntarily vacated after occupation post the unilateral cease fire in 1962 but merely aimed to tie down IA while Pakistan would formally merge GB in the state of Pakistan.
According to him , The PLA formations amassed on the LAC lack classic elements of what's required to annex territory & the same holds true for mirror deployments of the IA. Whether & how long the present status quo would continue is left unsaid.
But going by his statements, what's being conveyed is China would not initiate any further hostilities for now. Of course, this is PKS we're talking about & if he indeed does make such a statement or hints at it & China does actually undertake such action, he'd wriggle out of his self inflicted predicament with much more finesse than escape artists out here in the habit of making routine optimistic predictions.
That aside, what're your views on it? @Falcon
That India would actually undertake Operation Get PoJ&K upon Pakistan officially making these territories part of it is to my mind a fundamental flaw in assumption on the way the Indian government - any government thinks & operates , a view fleshed out in some detail by this insightful article whose link I've attached.
Sir any attack on Pakistan , WITHOUT any reason , Available , At Present will
Only weaken our Narrative against China
On the Other hand , Pakistan will portray itself as the Victim
Right Now Pakistan is cooperating in Afghanistan ,so US is not angry against Pakistan
China achieved what they want ........ but mysteriously started asking India to restore Status Quo after Aug 29th/30th
China asking India for status quo is a joke - they want us to move further back, so that they can grab more land. When we asked them to move back, they didn't, status quo doesn't work this way.
Also, we have accepted the two front scenario long back, that is not new, I agree. However, the question is, we have had lots of opportunities where we could have ensured that we never faced a two front situation by taking out one of those fronts out of the equation. I wonder what kept our leadership from taking that decision and be done with our western nuisance. As far as China is concerned, let's not talk about preparation - just see how how our panic buying of weapons started after the standoff with China. We figured out that our BVRAAMs were not good enough after the Balakote.
Had a discussion with @Falcon regarding our present AWACS situation few days, again found wanting. Our leadership, both political & military needs to come out of their shell & accept that there has been flaws. Unless it is accepted, it cannot be corrected.
Read the second part.
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You have three options. Either to evict them or make reverse incursions or tie them down in a standoff.
Yes, a standoff is also change of status quo ante. Option 3,2,1 should be our approach.
In order to effect a retaking of GB, a good deal of our troops on the LAC would have to be redirected to the LoC. What do you think will happen then?
I think we are waiting for Winter
Winter will Do Two Things
It will Expose the Chinese Soldiers Physical Vulnerabilities
And it will make Chinese Interference Impossible , That is why Gen Maneckshaw in 1971 Chose DECEMBER for his War against Pakistan
Also US position will become clear
we dont need to redirect anyone. The battle with Pakistan will be fought in Plains of Punjab and Rajasthan desert. While LAC needs just a holding battle in case it turns to two front war.
You nailed it.
