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We must wait for US elections

There is no time left to enter into a treaty

This question can be addressed after their elections
The security architecture will only be realised post 2020 election Biden coming to power might further end up in the destruction of the quad framework.
 
No that won't be the case. Modi has shown that he can hold his ground when it comes to India's interest. The S400 and even when we bought Iranian oil we negotiated with the Americans and bought a large amount of oil before closing down on it something that the Chinese had to do also. The Americans pressure is meaningless, a lot of close American allies straight up ignore the Americans we are the only idiots who have listened to American diktats even when were not in an alliance or a close partner. We are the only ones who give western media any reactions and treat them like gods. With modi that won't happen and the western media hasn't been given much importance unlike the Congress era
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I don't think you really know what they can and cannot ignore. There are hard positions and there are soft positions. As far as American enemies are concerned, the American position is hard. There will be no more dealing with Iran and Myanmar in the future, both become enemies. No, even France and Germany cannot deal with these two countries. And our neutrality with North Korea will also end. Also, we will be forced right in the middle of the problems with Taiwan, Japan and the SCS.

Also alliance is a hard alliance, not soft. Negotiating for a bit of oil is not the same. A small amount of leeway was given only to help cushion the impact of sanctions in our own markets.

And we never gave heed to Israel. Similarly we can ignore the Americans.

We are not allies for us to heed Israel. We can't ignore Americans either. By that measure, Pakistan and America will become enemies as well.

India will be forced to choose sides in the end.

Not at all. Like what Ajit Doval said, India is its own side. We don't choose sides.

But the future isn't far when we will have an anti-Indian Iran.

Not really. We have no area of conflict. In fact a lot of our security interests are shared. Neither want Taliban in Afghanistan, both don't like Pakistan, both have similar interests in Central Asia, both have good relations in energy etc.

Lol the P8I's, jet engines and so on. Tejas is completed because of American tech otherwise that was DOA. The Japanese have got more tech being an American vassal and modernised themselves. An alliance will only keep the gravy train secured.
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America had little to do with Tejas. And if you haven't noticed, whatever help we received to make it a success happened without an alliance.

P8s and jet engines are coming without an alliance as well. All of these are purely commercial agreements.

Regardless of whether we get into an alliance or not, whatever's in the export list in the US can be bought by India, no one will stop such a sale. So whatever NATO countries can buy from America, we can as well.


Anyway we do not need the American gravy train, our main goal is atmanirbharta. Imports will end within 5 years. Meaning, there are not likely going to be any new import contracts signed after 2025. After the 5-year window, the Indian armed forces will only contract Indian weapons from companies that are considered Indian.

FoN is the meme to delude the media. Quad is an anti-chinese alliance but the contribution of all partners seems much more equal than the case of nato where it's basically America protecting all of Europe. I don't think America will lead the quad the way it dictates in Nato. The american security architecture is too good to not get into it. The training equipment levels are something our military needs

America will lead the QUAD. That's the whole point of QUAD. In fact, the main American goal is to create an alliance tentatively called 1000-Ship Navy, an alliance of "like-minded" nations, which they hope to lead.


I think what you're hoping for is that the US and India get into an alliance, but India does whatever India wants after that. There is no such alliance anywhere in the world. And such an alliance never works. For an alliance, everything needs to be black and white on paper. So who your enemies are, who your friends are, what constitutes the definition of enemies and friends, what constitutes military assistance, where the red lines are, every little detail has to be very, very clearly defined in the alliance charter. An alliance with the US means, all the countries that consider themselves allies with China, either openly or from the dark, will also become our enemies. So apart from Pakistan, there's Laos, Cambodia, North Korea and Iran, and this is the list today. There's even Russia, and also future countries that may decide to ally themselves with China.

The best case for America is India makes enemies of many nations, which is practically guaranteed. Otoh, the more prudent stand for India is to not join such a defeatist alliance, but to become a main pillar or a side by itself. So in the future, we will have US + allies, China + allies, Russia + allies and India + allies. We don't have to be anybody's stooge.
 
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The security architecture will only be realised post 2020 election Biden coming to power might further end up in the destruction of the quad framework.

QUAD has nothing to do with parties. Whether it's Republican or Democrat, whether it's BJP or Congress, all are on the same page.
 
The signal to noise ratio on this thread is appalling. 😒
Put it down to free time courtesy the Chinese virus & the fact that optimism can be contagious or at least it tries to be so. In fact , the more the optimism the more the virulence in the posts. Sign of our times.
 
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