MEA is like convent school boys who cant even curse properly. Frankly they should stop using english in foreign affairs, every sentence they make is like "I will respectfully kiss your *censored*". If we want to be friendly we need to send our foriegn minister and if we need to kick *censored* we need to send some general, that will show our intent clearly.
Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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I fully agree but when dialogue happens there is a space of giving wrong signals. That India has given through MEA. This is what I am trying to say.
The same government will come again and then one more decade will go wasted.
This is the problem, India never had one policy. New govt comes the policy changes.
What will a General do?
When he is not supposed to stray from the decided line? He wont issue threats the Govt. wont let him enforce.
Why are you guys keen on starting a war
War needs resources
Against China we have some Red Lines and China has been told very clearly that if they cross the red lines , we will open fire
In the Ladakh Terrain , the only thing that matters are the Roads and the Big
Places like DBO
So IF China will try to cut off our Roads , that will start a Conflict
Nobody will fight for Patrolling points PP 11 or PP 12
Our People have to be convinced that we are fighting a Justified War
Other wise Modi will be blamed for All casualties
We have to wait for China to push forward or open fire
War needs resources
Against China we have some Red Lines and China has been told very clearly that if they cross the red lines , we will open fire
In the Ladakh Terrain , the only thing that matters are the Roads and the Big
Places like DBO
So IF China will try to cut off our Roads , that will start a Conflict
Nobody will fight for Patrolling points PP 11 or PP 12
Our People have to be convinced that we are fighting a Justified War
Other wise Modi will be blamed for All casualties
We have to wait for China to push forward or open fire
Chinese knows the ability of the Indians .
Be it MEA,NSA or Military they have already calculated the response ,measures etc.
Indias diplomatic engagement with US ,our military postures in the border last year Galwan incident etc gave them some ideas about our reaction.
Their only method is testing and provoking.
They want to pressurise the GoI through provocation .
And they want India to do a misadventure in border .
It is nothing but a trap.
Do you want that trap ?
Our best option is to deploy the military in border permanently..Use whatever methods we have to increase economy .Invest heavily in our weapon programs .Keepthe border hot .
If a war starts India will be alone.
Because vultures aka our friends want that climatic battle for various purpose .
Cold Himalayan mountain region is very exposed and in future we can do the same that Chinese did now .
Our mistake was the former govts showed criminal negligence about border infrastructure .
Only this govt showed the mettle for border development .
If Chinese attack us then that will be our chance to grind them .
But they wont attack us .Instead they will continue the provocation.u
These people cant understand.
This is not a place to show emotions lol.
Our Paxtan friend is so *censored*ed up because of that attitude .
PM Modi wont care about blames.
But he need result .
PM dont want a defeat .
Only way to teach them a lesson if they give us a chance for it.
They have to invade us.
Infact in 1971 even in Paxtan case Indira wait for Ops Chenghiz Khan to tear them apart .
But they wont do it .
So our option is to stop Chinese from further misadventure and use all kind of low intensity method to kick them.and keep the border hot .
The agreements are dead. Now they are just buying time.
Reduce economic dependence on China, modernise the military and shake the COVID fever off by going back to pre-pandemic levels.
Anyway, the Chinese seem to be waiting for India to fire the first shot. So it doesn't make sense for us to play by their rules. We need to maintian our moral high ground, at least until we plug holes in our overall capabilities.
Everything we are doing today seems to be aimed towards buying time, not just for India, but even the world. It seems to be a joint effort by the West to reduce dependence on China. So the USG is encouraging businesses to pull out of China, the same is being done by Japan, Europe is rethinking its China investment plan. Taiwanese semiconductor and electronics companies are diversifying their production to other countries and so on.
One of the main goals of the Pivot to Asia is to protect Taiwan. I don't believe the US will leave Taiwan high and dry. The question is to what extent the US will actually help Taiwan. Since the Taiwanese require assured air superiority, the US could be capable of providing that support without needing to put boots on the ground. The fallout from air force and navy losses will be politically more affordable. And I don't think the US will miss such an opportunity to take out the PLAN before it becomes more powerful.
Otoh, China will have to risk losing its navy in a war with the US anytime before 2030, a setback that will take a minimum of 15 years to fix. Which is why I think their current stance on Taiwan is to push the world's focus away from Ladakh and elsewhere.
Just because China can afford something doesn't mean it's a good idea for them to actually spend on it.
Instead what's happening is the Indian military is getting more funds, so even this works against Chinese interests, even more so against Pakistan. The Chinese intended for India to back off quietly instead of raising a fuss. Even they probably didn't expect to permanently begin deploying corps level forces at the LAC.
No one here is vouching for the war. But make them realize that you are a nuclear power too. Every country has guts to poke India but you people are bunch of losers who act like sissy people. Because you analyse a lot and act less.
Yes.
Chinese actually want a war now.But they have kicked the ball to our court .So its up to us to take that bait.
Even US wont invade the PRC unless the Chinese takes the initative.
Last few years the situation was bit different.
And India proved herself last year in Galwan clash
I think Modi is waiting for the delivery of S-400. Once we have them, we can secure the airspace in entire North India. This will allow us to take out Pakistan easily. Once we take out Pakistan 1.5 front will be gone and the second front will cease to exist.
China Does Not want a War
What they are upset about is that we have Counter Deployed and Counter Mobilised and Are Sitting in FRONT of them in their Face
They want that we should accept their Claim Lines and Wind up our Deployment
But our consistent position has been that " You came here first ; You go back first "
So why they dont want to go back
For two reasons
1 Having seen our Mobilization
They believe that we will move forward and grab territory
2 Any acceptance of Indian Conditions
Is a loss of face for China
If China thinks that Delaying a Conflict is helping them they are wrong
We were at our weakest in June 2020 when Galwan happened
One and Half years later , our position has improved
The Pakistanis understand the Chinese very well
That is why they are Not keen on a Conflict with India
Because they know China will back out
The structure and Hierarchy of CCP and Chinese Society and PLA is such that
There will be a Revolt once Casualties
Start reaching Mainland China
Galwan created a Big Mess which they had a Tough time hiding
Once Artillery shelling starts , casualties will be in Thousands
I don't think the circumstances required for war and the political will needed to go to war exist this decade. If Modi wants to handle it personally, I guess it will only happen in the last phase of his third potential term, so that's around 2028.
I expected IA to reciprocate chinese gesture in a different sector. But there doesn’t seem to be political will to do so.
Losses in USN will pinch the Americans more that the army. Even a small turf of losing a single ship will send over 100 sailors to the bottom.
Even Taiwan and japan think around 2026.