Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

So you are saying that we should have a Civil war and Then later a War with China or BOTH at the same time :ROFLMAO:

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Civil war happens only when there are TWO equally relevant parties to a conflict. There is no opposition to Modi among the people. Only the libtrad/liberandus are a problem- constantly trying to weaken him with their barbs for their pay.
 
What is going to happen in next 5-7 years to neutralize threats from west?
The number of strategic assets of Pak Establishment continue increasing, now starting to send those pakistanis of KPK who have now been in Afghanistan for 2-3 decades. And launch pads are coming up across the LoC where nothing such happened for years.

The anti infiltration grid has been improved on our side considerably, making it costly for the guys in Rawalpindi to maintain such huge number of terrorists, feed them, house them, etc. So it is only a matter of time another big attack will happen on security forces.

We know it, we try to stop it, but someone is always gonna slip through. And hopefully when that happens, we will ensure those new spots along LoC are dominated through capture of important points across the present LoC, hopefully further north up. That should be the starting point.
 
@STEPHEN COHEN the implcations of what you just said are mind boggling! You are claiming that there will be civil war because people will wage war to make Rahul Gandhi their PM!

There is a provision in our constitution that Once the Country is at War,
Emergency is automatically declared
And Constitution is suspended

But to First declare emergency in anticipation of a conflict which might happen sometime in Future
Is not going to be acceptable to the people

What prevents the Govt to Make All possible preparation for War , Right Now , Without resorting to any illegal step
Civil war happens only when there are TWO equally relevant parties to a conflict. There is no opposition to Modi among the people. Only the libtrad/liberandus are a problem- constantly trying to weaken him with their barbs for their pay.

Indira Gandhi AFTER 1971 became an
Authoritarian leader , And by 1973 started facing revolts and agitations

The Result was Declaration of emergency in 1975

All her Goodwill of 1971 was lost
 
There is a provision in our constitution that Once the Country is at War,
Emergency is automatically declared
And Constitution is suspended

But to First declare emergency in anticipation of a conflict which might happen sometime in Future
Is not going to be acceptable to the people

What prevents the Govt to Make All possible preparation for War , Right Now , Without resorting to any illegal step


Indira Gandhi AFTER 1971 became an
Authoritarian leader , And by 1973 started facing revolts and agitations

The Result was Declaration of emergency in 1975

All her Goodwill of 1971 was lost

You don't see the difference here? The country is ALREADY at war. As a defence forum how come people here don't understand this is 5th gen war already imposed on us and therefore declaration of emergency is both justified and VITAL.
 
Mig29K units not currently attached to Vicky or Training at SBTF will likely be sent as a detachment up north according to some tweets. Should be a strength of a flight with 8-12 units maybe.

So we are beefing up our presence in one sector but still trying to wiggle out of starting a fight.

If I was a Chink and I wanted to light the party up, I'd start a fire at multiple fronts to make us scramble.
 
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Mig29K units not currently attached to Vicky or Training at SBTF will likely be sent as a detachment up north according to some tweets. Should be a strength of a flight with 8-12 units maybe.
One full sqn of 16-18 aircraft is being deployed with IAF Mig-29s to make up for the Mig-29s undergoing upgrade to UPG status.
 
So we are beefing up our presence in one sector but still trying to wiggle out of starting a fight.

If I was a Chink and I wanted to light the party up, I'd start a fire at multiple fronts to make us scramble.
Untill they get the boys in Pindi to order something, we won't be in any real bad situation.

It's just precautions as of now.
 
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Untill they get the boys in Pindi to order something, we won't be in any real bad situation.

It's just precautions as of now.

Pindi boys are more of wheeler dealers than soldiers. They wont move till India - China fur ball starts. This is their dream scenario and they will be fully prepped to exploit it. Till then they ll be content to fire heavy mortars at the LoC
 
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Pindi boys are more of wheeler dealers than soldiers. They wont move till India - China fur ball starts. This is their dream scenario and they will be fully prepped to exploit it. Till then they ll be content to fire heavy mortars at the LoC
Let them do anything across the LoC. Even without much support from IAF we have enough armour strength to make the whole IB hot with multiple fronts. That is our dream scenario.
 
One full sqn of 16-18 aircraft is being deployed with IAF Mig-29s to make up for the Mig-29s undergoing upgrade to UPG status.

All the IAF Mig-29s have been upgraded to UPG status already. The new upgrade won't see much downtime, and it hasn't started either.

The IN should be there to gain experience, flying CAP alongside the Chinese jets that are doing CAP on their side.
 
A good pointer into why in spite of the fact that we've formidable levels of forces deployed in Ladakh, the Chinese have the edge & this only in a 1 front war. Your opinion required here @Falcon , if possible a detailed exhaustive post. Especially to the points raised in his posts by the handle - Ravi@Editor_Orbat.






THREAD!!


Mr Ravi Rikhiye is someone I have an immense respect for. One voice which was never really heard. He used to run his updates on Orbat.com but had dropped off about the time Mr Trump came to power.

We had moved certain Command reserves from Valley proper into the area about 5 - 6 years back as the situation improved. What Rohit is calling as 'swing troops', they exist.

Without going into specific orbats, we have adequate forces to hold the PLA in a defensive posture. In case we do need to launch an offensive into PRC itself, the ball game is quite different. Assuming a collusive threat wherein PA will be coopted to apply pressure along our western front in case of a two front war (which I think is unlikely as US will not allow that kind of situation to build up for India without massively intervening in the form of material & limited military support (in terms of sanction and enforcement of blockades) and not limited to intelligence sharing exclusively, our priority will be to subdue Pakistan and then deal with PRC.

The only lacuna, and a glaring one at that right now, is the tardy defence production and acquisition. This is the result of MoD, MoF and DPSUs working in cahoots to become beneficiaries of fast track purchases. Something we have discussed earlier too.

Is Shiv Kunal Verma ex IA? Or did he have anything to do with national security? @Falcon
No clue. Sorry.
 
The IN should be there to gain experience, flying CAP alongside the Chinese jets that are doing CAP on their side.

Exactly. In addition to bolstering the 'numbers' this deployment will prove very helpful in IN Aviation arm being 'aware' of the PLAAF (and as an extension PLAN) "routines".
Pindi boys are more of wheeler dealers than soldiers. They wont move till India - China fur ball starts. This is their dream scenario and they will be fully prepped to exploit it. Till then they ll be content to fire heavy mortars at the LoC


I doubt they will move even then. Pakistan will only move in case India suffers very serious reverses, something that is very unlikely given that US and other friends are quite keen to see India punch China.
 
@Falcon @vstol Jockey

Sir (s ) , I am slowly loosing faith in GOI

On One Hand EAM Mr Jaishankar says that We dont need any alliance


And the Defence minister says there us every possibility of a Two Front War

So are we going to fight this Two Front War ALL ALONE


EAM is speaking in terms of our foreign policy objectives. Do we really need an alliance when we have groupings of mutual interests already converging? I would label his assertions rather pragmatic. No alliance will ever allow us the flexibility of concentrating on our core interests. But by stitching up loose groupings based on shared interests, specific to the interests, we insure and ensure our own core objectives.

We have not gone blindly into US camp and sent troops into Afghanistan. It does not serve our purpose. But we have coordinated with them increasingly over matters of Freedom of Navigation, SCS, Indo-Pacific and now trade, technology, clean and green energy.

I would not fret too much over this.