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Sancho said:
They didn't withdrew, they simply didn't followed the proper tender and proposed a side offer. Not following tender rules is indeed a habit of Dassault.
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It was a request for government proposal, not a request for manufacturer proposal. Dassault didn't do anything, it was a decision of the French government to sidestep the RfGP.

And it was a good idea, since the RfGP graded aircraft with criteria such as "must be able to carry the B61 nuclear bomb within the framework of the established NATO nuclear sharing with the USA" and "must be able to penetrate enemy airspace without using terrain masking, electronic warfare, or intelligence" along with other elements that were clearly aimed at favoring the F-35. (My personal favorite being that having a two-seater variant existing was a penalty.)
 
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It was a request for government proposal, not a request for manufacturer proposal. Dassault didn't do anything, it was a decision of the French government to sidestep the RfGP.

And it was a good idea, since the RfGP graded aircraft with criteria such as "must be able to carry the B61 nuclear bomb within the framework of the established NATO nuclear sharing with the USA" and "must be able to penetrate enemy airspace without using terrain masking, electronic warfare, or intelligence" along with other elements that were clearly aimed at favoring the F-35. (My personal favorite being that having a two-seater variant existing was a penalty.)
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So it was rigged from the start. That's a shame.
 
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It was a request for government proposal, not a request for manufacturer proposal. Dassault didn't do anything, it was a decision of the French government to sidestep the RfGP.

And it was a good idea, since the RfGP graded aircraft with criteria such as "must be able to carry the B61 nuclear bomb within the framework of the established NATO nuclear sharing with the USA" and "must be able to penetrate enemy airspace without using terrain masking, electronic warfare, or intelligence" along with other elements that were clearly aimed at favoring the F-35. (My personal favorite being that having a two-seater variant existing was a penalty.)
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The Belgium RFGP was tailored made for F35. The winner seem F35.
As the MMRCA2 is tailor made for Rafale. The winner will be Rafale.

As said in France : "quand tu veux tuer ton chier, tu n'as qu'à dire qu'il a la rage" = "when you want to kill your dog, just say he has rabies"
 
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It was a request for government proposal, not a request for manufacturer proposal. Dassault didn't do anything, it was a decision of the French government to sidestep the RfGP.
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Fair enough, the government needed to deliver the proposal, but it still was a joint proposal including Dassault and Co. And it was silly to not follow tender rules, but submit a side proposal. Either you respect the countries rules, or you don't!
 
Lockheed Martin to receive $22,7 billion for production 255 F-35 aircraft
Nov 16, 2018


Photo by Airman 1st Class Alexander Cook

Lockheed Martin will receive $22,7 billion for the production and delivery of 255 F-35 Lightning II aircraft, according to a statement of the U.S. Department of Defense.

According to U.S. Department of Defense, Lockheed Martin is being awarded a $22,7 billion contract modification to a previously awarded fixed-price-incentive-firm-target, firm-fixed-price advanced acquisition contract (N00019-17-C-0001) for 255 aircraft.

This modification provides for the production and delivery of 106 F-35 aircraft for the U.S. services (64 F-35As Air Force; 26 F-35Bs Marine Corps; 16 F-35Cs Navy); 89 F-35s for non-Department of Defense (DoD) participants (71 F-35As, 18 F-35 Bs); and 60 F-35s for Foreign Military Sales customers (60 F-35As).

The U.S. aircraft quantities are for the Lot 12 program of record plus fiscal 2018/fiscal 2019 aircraft quantity congressional adds.

All aircraft must be delivered by March 2023.

According to Lockheed Martin,the F-35 is the most lethal, survivable and connected fighter aircraft ever built. More than a fighter jet, the F-35’s ability to collect, analyze and share data is a powerful force multiplier enhancing all airborne, surface and ground-based assets in the battlespace and enabling men and women in uniform to execute their mission and come home safe.

To date, Lockheed Martin has delivered more than 280 F-35s, trained more than 580 pilots and 5,600 maintainers, and the F-35 fleet has surpassed more than 130,000 cumulative flight hours.

Lockheed Martin to receive $22,7 billion for production 255 F-35 aircraft
 
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Japan to order 100 more F-35 fighters from US

Japan to order 100 more F-35 fighters from US
Move comes in response to China's military rise and Trump's pressure

Nikkei staff writersNovember 27, 2018 11:26 JST

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Japan is set to spend over 1 trillion yen to procure more F-35s like this one.
TOKYO -- Japan is preparing to order another 100 F-35 stealth fighter jets from the U.S. to replace some of its aging F-15s, according to sources.

The plan can be considered a response to China's military buildup, as well as a nod to U.S. President Donald Trump's call for Tokyo to buy more American defense equipment. Japan already intended to procure 42 of the new fighters.

A single F-35 costs more than 10 billion yen ($88.1 million), meaning the additional order would exceed 1 trillion yen.

Japan's government plans to approve the purchase when it adopts new National Defense Program Guidelines at a cabinet meeting in mid-December. It will also include the F-35 order in its medium-term defense program, which covers fiscal 2019 to fiscal 2023. The government wants to obtain 42 F-35s as successors to its F-4s by fiscal 2024.

The 42 fighters Japan originally planned to buy are all F-35As, a conventional takeoff and landing variant. The additional 100 planes would include both the F-35A and F-35B, which is capable of short takeoffs and vertical landings.

At present, Japan deploys about 200 F-15s, roughly half of which cannot be upgraded. The Defense Ministry wants to replace the planes that cannot be upgraded with the 100 F-35s, while enhancing and retaining the remaining F-15s.

To accommodate the F-35Bs, the government intends to revamp the Maritime Self-Defense Force's JS Izumo helicopter carrier to host the fighters.

Japan's neighbors are busy introducing their own advanced military aircraft. China deployed its homegrown J-20 stealth fighter in February, and by 2030 some experts expect the country to build a fleet of more than 250 fifth-generation jets -- as the latest generation of fighters like the F-35 is known.

Russia, too, is expected to introduce its fifth-generation Sukhoi Su-57 in 2019, at the earliest.

To keep up, Tokyo believes it is imperative to significantly increase its procurement of the most sophisticated stealth jets.

At the same time, Trump has repeatedly urged Japan to purchase more American hardware and reduce the trade imbalance between the countries. Buying more of the high-priced fighters is a quick way to do that.

In September, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told Trump, "Introducing high-performance equipment, including American [materiel], is important for our country to strengthen its defense capabilities."
 
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Japan to order 100 more F-35 fighters from US

Japan to order 100 more F-35 fighters from US
Move comes in response to China's military rise and Trump's pressure

Nikkei staff writersNovember 27, 2018 11:26 JST

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Japan is set to spend over 1 trillion yen to procure more F-35s like this one.
TOKYO -- Japan is preparing to order another 100 F-35 stealth fighter jets from the U.S. to replace some of its aging F-15s, according to sources.

The plan can be considered a response to China's military buildup, as well as a nod to U.S. President Donald Trump's call for Tokyo to buy more American defense equipment. Japan already intended to procure 42 of the new fighters.

A single F-35 costs more than 10 billion yen ($88.1 million), meaning the additional order would exceed 1 trillion yen.

Japan's government plans to approve the purchase when it adopts new National Defense Program Guidelines at a cabinet meeting in mid-December. It will also include the F-35 order in its medium-term defense program, which covers fiscal 2019 to fiscal 2023. The government wants to obtain 42 F-35s as successors to its F-4s by fiscal 2024.

The 42 fighters Japan originally planned to buy are all F-35As, a conventional takeoff and landing variant. The additional 100 planes would include both the F-35A and F-35B, which is capable of short takeoffs and vertical landings.

At present, Japan deploys about 200 F-15s, roughly half of which cannot be upgraded. The Defense Ministry wants to replace the planes that cannot be upgraded with the 100 F-35s, while enhancing and retaining the remaining F-15s.

To accommodate the F-35Bs, the government intends to revamp the Maritime Self-Defense Force's JS Izumo helicopter carrier to host the fighters.

Japan's neighbors are busy introducing their own advanced military aircraft. China deployed its homegrown J-20 stealth fighter in February, and by 2030 some experts expect the country to build a fleet of more than 250 fifth-generation jets -- as the latest generation of fighters like the F-35 is known.

Russia, too, is expected to introduce its fifth-generation Sukhoi Su-57 in 2019, at the earliest.

To keep up, Tokyo believes it is imperative to significantly increase its procurement of the most sophisticated stealth jets.

At the same time, Trump has repeatedly urged Japan to purchase more American hardware and reduce the trade imbalance between the countries. Buying more of the high-priced fighters is a quick way to do that.

In September, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told Trump, "Introducing high-performance equipment, including American [materiel], is important for our country to strengthen its defense capabilities."
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another source say 40 :
Japan to buy vertical takeoff F-35B Lightning II aircraft
 
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