My argument is that the NRC in Assam was an exception to Assam, due to its proximity to Bangladesh. There is no need to extrapolate the conditions that existed in Bangladesh to the rest of the country( which doe snot experience the situation and put the country through and painful, expensive and humiliating process to prove they are Indian citizens.....
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My argument is that the NRC in Assam was an exception to Assam, due to its proximity to Bangladesh. There is no need to extrapolate the conditions that existed in Bangladesh to the rest of the country( which doe snot experience the situation and put the country through and painful, expensive and humiliating process to prove they are Indian citizens.....
You are no one to tell me about my tolerance levels. I know what i meant , u dont have to tell me. Just like u have the freedom to call Modi fascist or accuse him of being one , i have the right to deny it.
RSS Heartexpected, anyone asking counter or logic or fact or exposing lies automatically becomes RSS.
From RSS Heart to Nazi (getting promoted?)
Indoctrinated Sanghi baying for bloodin just 3 replies I asked a single evidence I have been promoted to mass murder from Nazi.
Why were you expects facts and logic from someone you already declared a liar. Explain this muddled logic.
Pls don't deviate from the topic, indulge in obfuscation & general what Aboutery. The ambit of this debate is limited to the CAA not caste disputes of Malayalis.Besides , I'm not seeking your validation.Don't know what makes you think your views & perceptions are just & that makes you superior to everyone out here.It's just two anonymous people debating an Act here.
What is the gaurantee that those illegal Bangladehis have not migrated to other states of India?
NPR, NRC CAA would require mass number of people working to feed data, don't you think that will increase employment?
Oh you are mistaken, they are intellectuals and as such you must address them, how dare you question them, bloody Nazi.
Surprised? He is habitual.
That's actually not his fault, during the training in their whatsapp group or whatever hole they learn they are actually trained to start calling fascism, fascism fascism every time you are out of facts and logic. You can mix random words Nazi and Hitler too if audience is bored and increase the impact.
I am not telling it as joke it is actually a strategy widely deployed by this ecosystem.
That's not just Meerut belt, even my city, a very small one having almost very little background of riots in past 70yrs was on boil on next Friday. They tolerated destruction on 1st Friday but were ready to go to war on 2nd and it was led by most die hard Samajvadi supporter as it being a Yadav belt and there was no call, no organization, nothing at all. People were ready at their own.
15-20% population can't keep whole country ransom. They can't keep burning buses, pelt stones on travelers and school kids, if police won't do anything, government won't do anything out of political compulsions people will come out of their own. If they have any single delusion that they will survive a riot they will awake to a rude shock, even into a area dominated by them.
That's what I have came to learn and observe, someone may call me Nazi or whatever, couldn't care less, just telling you ground situation. If there is a riot there won't be any riot in forseeable future, doesn't matter who is in government BJP or Congress, its way too beyond them.
So if those bollywood clowns wants a reality check they can visit UP, sara josh thanda ho jayega. You can burn my country but rest assured you too will burn with it.
What should be more worrying is the sloganeering from the law enforcement personnel, who are expected and trained to uphold the law, while remaining neutral and non-partisan. If UP cops rain blow from Lathis, while chanting Jai shriram on arsonists chanting La ilaha, what is the difference between the two. Perhaps we should do away with the police and let the mob rule the roost. Bangladeshis, Hindus or Muslims, are not Indian citizens and they chose to be so and in case they want citizenship, we already have laws and conventions to absorb them, without discrimination. I strongly object any illegal immigrant from being given citizenship and in case it needs to be given, then it should be non discriminatory.
Hmm, make sense but the kind of protest escalating to levels where folks are ready to vandalise and in turn ready to get shot make it look like more than a protest against "loss of comfort". We didn't saw this much unease even when people were not able to take their hard earned money out.
What made you think that illegals will restrict themselves to border areas only? By the way have you been to NCR?
Moreover, do you see any benefit of having a citizen list in longer run, vetted by stringent processes?
I would advise you the same, don;t bring extraneous religious arguments in this discussion. This thread is not about discussion Islamic comparative theology and other esoteric subjects.
300 Bangladeshis held crossing from India this year
IANS | Dec 29, 2019, 20:44 IST
NEW DELHI: More than 300 Bangladeshis have been apprehended this year while crossing from the Indian side to Bangladesh for lack of travel documents, Border Guards Bangladesh chief Major General Shafeenul Islam said on Sunday.
He was addressing a media briefing after signing a Joint Record of Discussion with Border Security Force (BSF) at the 49th DG-level border coordination conference held from December 25 to 30.
"We regularly apprehend persons who cross the border. These are Bangladeshis who came into India inadvertently or for work," Islam responded to a query at the joint press briefing also attended by BSF Director General Vivek Johri.
Responding to the query on regular pushbacks of "illegal" immigrants from Indian side to Bangladesh, the BGB DG said: "We regularly apprehend persons who cross borders illegally."
Action against the Indian Insurgent Groups (IIGs) and prevention of attacks on BSF troopers as well as Indian civilians by Bangladesh criminals are among six issues the BSF raised at the 49th DG-level talks with BGB.
In the bilateral border coordination conference, the BSF took up joint efforts to prevent trans-border crimes such as smuggling of cattle, Fake Indian Currency Notes (FICN) and gold.
Other crimes such as illegal migration and human trafficking, breaching of India-Bangladesh border fence, border violations, and illegal crossing, kidnapping or abduction, and illegal crossing by nationals of countries other than Bangladesh were also raised.
Besides, issues related with border infrastructure -- construction of single row fencing, infrastructure works and construction within 150 yards of International Border without prior intimation -- was also raised in talks being attended by an 11-member BGB team.
Joint efforts for effective implementation of a Comprehensive Border Management Plan through simultaneous coordinated patrols, identification of vulnerable areas and sharing of information, and confidence building measures were also raised by BSF in the conference which was attended by a 10-member delegation.
The BSF DG, along with senior officials of the Ministry of External Affairs as well as other law enforcement agencies participated in the conference that began from Thursday, a day after the Bangladesh delegation arrived in the national capital.
300 Bangladeshis held crossing from India this year - Times of India
IANS | Dec 29, 2019, 20:44 IST
NEW DELHI: More than 300 Bangladeshis have been apprehended this year while crossing from the Indian side to Bangladesh for lack of travel documents, Border Guards Bangladesh chief Major General Shafeenul Islam said on Sunday.
He was addressing a media briefing after signing a Joint Record of Discussion with Border Security Force (BSF) at the 49th DG-level border coordination conference held from December 25 to 30.
"We regularly apprehend persons who cross the border. These are Bangladeshis who came into India inadvertently or for work," Islam responded to a query at the joint press briefing also attended by BSF Director General Vivek Johri.
Responding to the query on regular pushbacks of "illegal" immigrants from Indian side to Bangladesh, the BGB DG said: "We regularly apprehend persons who cross borders illegally."
Action against the Indian Insurgent Groups (IIGs) and prevention of attacks on BSF troopers as well as Indian civilians by Bangladesh criminals are among six issues the BSF raised at the 49th DG-level talks with BGB.
In the bilateral border coordination conference, the BSF took up joint efforts to prevent trans-border crimes such as smuggling of cattle, Fake Indian Currency Notes (FICN) and gold.
Other crimes such as illegal migration and human trafficking, breaching of India-Bangladesh border fence, border violations, and illegal crossing, kidnapping or abduction, and illegal crossing by nationals of countries other than Bangladesh were also raised.
Besides, issues related with border infrastructure -- construction of single row fencing, infrastructure works and construction within 150 yards of International Border without prior intimation -- was also raised in talks being attended by an 11-member BGB team.
Joint efforts for effective implementation of a Comprehensive Border Management Plan through simultaneous coordinated patrols, identification of vulnerable areas and sharing of information, and confidence building measures were also raised by BSF in the conference which was attended by a 10-member delegation.
The BSF DG, along with senior officials of the Ministry of External Affairs as well as other law enforcement agencies participated in the conference that began from Thursday, a day after the Bangladesh delegation arrived in the national capital.
300 Bangladeshis held crossing from India this year - Times of India
Your reading of the ground situation & politics itself is muddled & flawed. There's no police force in India which isn't politicised or parochial. You can extend this to anywhere in the world. The police in the US is notorious for its bias against blacks & this is the most advanced progressive democracy we are taking about. What you desire is an ideal situation which doesn't exist nor will in your & mine lifetime. The police in India is corrupt, politicised, incompetent & in its own way brutally efficient.
Your objection is noted and over ruled. The crtieria for granting citizenship has been amended & in my opinion rightly so. This will help the persecuted Hindus & other non Muslims from Pakistan, Afghanistan & especially Bangladesh at whom this amended act is targeted.
Wrong. This debate was about the act & the protests to it including the nature of the protests & the protestors which is increasingly taking a distinct religious hue & has graduated to targeting ppl of a particular community as the evidence emerging out of UP clearly demonstrates. It seems that these inconvenient facts don't fit into your narrative . Hence you try to obfuscate, mislead and resort to denial when you run out of options.
For how long will you give these retards justification? Where is news of 77 infants died in kota, Rajasthan? Is there a thread on these clowns for this gross mismanagement? But everyone knows there was shortage of oxygen cylinders in yogis UP "once upon a time"
I think many here enjoy being in witness box giving unnecessary explanations to closet commies over non issues.
77 infants died. No award wapsi? No farticle in NYT, WT, WSJ? Jihadis like barkha and rana ayub are nowhere to be found.
I think many here enjoy being in witness box giving unnecessary explanations to closet commies over non issues.
77 infants died. No award wapsi? No farticle in NYT, WT, WSJ? Jihadis like barkha and rana ayub are nowhere to be found.
Shashi Tharoor (@ShashiTharoor) Tweeted:
No@offence intended. Just making it clear that for most of us this struggle is about India, not about Islam. Or Hinduism. It’s about our constitutional values & founding principles. It’s about defending pluralism. It’s about saving the soul of India. Not one faith vs another. India Resists on Twitter ( )
Indo Islamic Culture (@IndoIslamicPage) Tweeted:
@ShashiTharoor "La ilaha il Allah" may be an Islamic Slogan but ther is nothing anti Indian or anti Hindu (or any other religion) in it.
It simply means "Ther is no one worthy of worship except the God "
In a way it means we must not bow to any other power except the ultimate Supreme God ( )
Indo Islamic Culture (@IndoIslamicPage) Tweeted:
@ShashiTharoor "Allah" is arabic for "the God"
For Islam or any other faith in world ,The ultimate Supreme God is One
Even in basic teaching of Hinduism ,Sikhism and other Indian faith ther is concept of one supreme God
It's the same one God that is referred differently in different religions ( )
ആദി (@asanskari_boy) Tweeted:
@IndoIslamicPage @ShashiTharoor No. There is no basic teaching of one god in Hinduism. ( )
Indo Islamic Culture (@IndoIslamicPage) Tweeted:
@asanskari_boy @ShashiTharoor According to Rigveda 1.164.46,
Indraṃ mitraṃ varuṇamaghnimāhuratho divyaḥ sa suparṇo gharutmān,ekaṃ sad...
They call him Indra, Mitra, Varuṇa, Agni, and he is heavenly nobly-winged Garutmān.
To what is One, sages give many a title — they call it Agni, Yama, Mātariśvan." ( )
Gandharva ഗന്ധർവൻ
(@Gandharva___) Tweeted:
@IndoIslamicPage @asanskari_boy @ShashiTharoor You have been listening to Jakeer Naik.NO Rigvedic concept of God is fundamentally different from Islamic one.Rigveda doesn’t distinguish between self (human) and god-self -both are same. In Islam human is literally a slave to his creator Allah,So don’t sell your Sakir naik BS (Gandharva ഗന്ധർവൻ on Twitter)
This is the kind of narrative which even erudite hypocrites like Tharoor find difficult to defend. On odd days he writes about how Bangladeshi illegal Muslim economic migrants are a clear & present danger & how persecuted Hindus from Bangladesh & Pakistan need to get citizenship of India on a priority basis something that MMS also echoed. This was before 2014. On even days he's against the CAA. Ditto for the CPM in WB. The same story with the NPR / NRC. Rinse & repeat.
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The lady is intentionally translating the verse wrong to make it more presentable and can get into serious trouble by fellow jihadis for calling it same as in other religion. It is considered out right blasphemy.
Oh No Sir, never, never did I expected fact and logic from you.
My play is simple, question your lies, point them out and see your shallow counters devoid of facts and logic in public. So that some young kids getting fascinated by Nazi BS see how strong is the argument backing it.
The more you lie and don't answer the counter and goes into "Modi is Hitler, you are Nazi" the little is the impact of your lies. And if you do answer someday something worth learning it will only improve me. I don't lose here sir, lies do.
WHile arson and vandalism needs to be condemned, the intriguing fact is only in BJP ruled UP( and to some extent Karnataka, that too only in communally tense mangalore) has protests turned violent leading to deaths. Perhaps this is an indictment on how the law enforcement in these states have gone about their law enforcement task. While one cannot vouch for the migratory patters of illegal migrants will stick to contiguous territories for the sheer advantage of socio-cultural proximity to their original homeland and security conveyed by filial demographic. While stray group may have migrated farther afield, they cannot be in such numbers that whose tracking is the beyond the means of the law enforcement agencies(without the need for an expensive citizenship test)
According to union govt, we have already issued more than 120 crore Aadhaar cards and I'm sure in a few years even those who are left pout would be issued. We already have a citizenship list with us, so why the need for a new exercise
Citizens of this country will not be benefit from an imagined existential threat. However a tottering economy and rampant unemployment, issues from which the govt is trying to shift focus, will certain threaten the existence of a significant number of citizens.
I think u dont consider West Bengal as part of India ???? Or u think there was absolute peace in Bengal. Or u forget it cz it isnt a BJP ruled state hmmmm.
There's 144 imposed for 2 months in liberal ruled Maharashtra but u wont call them fascist , would you?
If you take out the exceptional case of police actions in the Yogi land. Nothing even comparable to JP movement is happening. India has been gone through far tougher situations. Yet, here we are getting amused by the shouting of the impending doom by alarmists.
I can't agree here. It came from the helplessness they felt after a series of events (Criminalisation of Triple Talaq, Article 370 and Ayodhya). CAA acted as a trigger.
Constitutionalism is all about desiring the ideal way of life and not giving into baser instincts inherited as a cultural heirloom. If we can argue that the police is corrupt and biased, the same can be said about the some of the protesting citizens, they too can be prejudiced and less than ideal. The law exists to protect citizen, from bias, discrimination and prejudice. Communal bias among the civilians and Police should be condemned and should not be the basis upon which to apply law. The religious tone in this protest was caused by the Govt bringing in a law which discriminated, while granting citizenship, on the basis of religion. Of course any surprise the protest have peculiar religion undertone.
That's why it's manufactured. They chose the wrong time & a wrong issue to pick a fight. They don't have any locus standi on the issue. But I do agree they're one mighty frustrated lot. I hope the NPR proceeds smoothly, as does the Census & a new NRC in Assam. The focus as of now ought to be the economy. The all India NRC can wait. Unlike the economy it's not an imperative.
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