Lok Sabha passes Citizenship Bill amidst Opposition outcry

[BlackOpsIndia]

Even in their own countries for lack for non-muslims, they kill each other on who is the best Muslim.

In Pakistan they first finished Kafirs, when they were too little and scattered they turned to Ahmadi minority, then Hazara minority, then Baloch minority and then when these were killed, left, ran away then comes Pashtuns, meanwhile a continuous campaign against minority Shia is going on as their mosques are blasted with worshippers in it. After they are done with above Deobandi and Barelvi are at each other's throat. They are so fond of killing that it will never stop, religion, sect, sub sect, sub sub sect, sub sub sub sect they always find an enemy to fight that is against their religion and must be eliminated at first priority.

 

[S. A. T. A]

So no deaths? So its not important? Rioters burnt train boggies and police took no action , so wheres the law and order here?
Police have all right to shoot if required. Even Ram Rahim supporters were shot. Law and order is more important than any individual life.

Rioters vandalize and law enforcement maintains law. If both indulge in the same, then what is the difference. While law enforcement personnel have the tight to self defense, they must exercise this right with extreme caution. How come law enforcement was able to maintain peace in other states, but flunked miserably in UP. Perhaps poor governance, poor leadership or a combination of both.

 

[Janardan Shukla]

In Pakistan they first finished Kafirs, when they were too little and scattered they turned to Ahmadi minority, then Hazara minority, then Baloch minority and then when these were killed, left, ran away then comes Pashtuns, meanwhile a continuous campaign against minority Shia is going on as their mosques are blasted with worshippers in it. After they are done with above Deobandi and Barelvi are at each other's throat. They are so fond of killing that it will never stop, religion, sect, sub sect, sub sub sect, sub sub sub sect they always find an enemy to fight that is against their religion and must be eliminated at first priority.

Very right sir. In their religion killing a Kaffir grant them heaven hence they are always hellbent towards proving someone as Kaffir and them kill him/her.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Rioters vandalize and law enforcement maintains law. If both indulge in the same, then what is the difference. While law enforcement personnel have the tight to self defense, they must exercise this right with extreme caution. How come law enforcement was able to maintain peace in other states, but flunked miserably in UP. Perhaps poor governance, poor leadership or a combination of both.

Or, a deliberate instruction to rioters to amp up violence in BJP ruled states and well as instruction to police in non-BJP states to not take the required actions.

But no, you won't think of that would you?

 

[_Anonymous_]

UP Police is the best (@pokershash) Tweeted:
Students of West Bengal are being brain-washed by TMC. In name of cultural program, they are normalising use of Bangladesh flag. 1st Murshidabad and now Ranigaj, Students carrying Bangladeshi Flag. This is not any bilateral event. Just normalising illegal Bangladeshis. UP Police is the best on Twitter (

https://twitter.com/x/status/1211269016162955264

)

 

[S. A. T. A]

Imagined existential threat?? Now what do you mean by that sir??
I think we have enough sample data in form Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kashmir, WB, Kerela, Kairana and so on to determine that this threat is real and imminent. I will try to share an article for your benefit.
Now coming to the question of economy and joblessness then I do agree government is not doing enough there and I do want that my nation has world's largest economy but then again all this money will worth nothing if I would not be alive due to being murdered.

Yaar explain this to me, because i'm really curious. If Muslims population grow disproportionate to the Hindus population , this is an existential threat and you express rightful indignation. However if people like me complain about Hindi speaking north Indian population growing disproprotianltely then we are parochial and the latter threat is imagined. Both cannot be true and false.

 

[Janardan Shukla]

Yaar explain this to me, because i'm really curious. If Muslims population grow disproportionate to the Hindus population , this is an existential threat and you express rightful indignation. However if people like me complain about Hindi speaking north Indian population growing disproprotianltely then we are parochial and the latter threat is imagined. Both cannot be true and false.

Yes because we north Indians don't have any track record of killing people just because they are not North Indians.
But these pissfulls do.

 

[S. A. T. A]

You sir exposed me completely, now I am naked, naked Nazi will you call it? Or blood baying naked RSS Sanghi?

Oops can anyone please hand me towel here, sir just exposed me too much. Seriously no mission here, just fed up of lies and frauds masquerading as intellectuals.

On topic: Anyway no new instruction/argument against CAA today? Didn't see bollywood walas and other eminent personalities producing anything new today. What happened? Left nothing or just realized the counter consolidation you have provided to 'Hitler'?

Also is that why tweets of others are being posted here as argument? Till you get new set of arguments it should rinse and repeat of old settled issues.

BTW I loved your try to bring in caste too into this, somehow keeping it alive, even when nothing. Try that favorite 'Godse' receipe now that 'caste' receipe didn't work out.

A veritable human version of a lie detecting polygraph machine should never feel naked or exposed. Seriously it has not been a easy exercise for me to find someone as learned a you indulge in communal diatribe. My anguish is genuine and very deep. Posting tweets is not my better side and i leave that to my more social media savvy friends, besides I'm rather too old for keeping tabs on Bollywood stars. However i sympathize with you on misisng out on your daily Bollywood fix. I pray the tinsel town stars do their social media acts more regularly.

 

[Deathstar]

Rioters vandalize and law enforcement maintains law. If both indulge in the same, then what is the difference. While law enforcement personnel have the tight to self defense, they must exercise this right with extreme caution. How come law enforcement was able to maintain peace in other states, but flunked miserably in UP. Perhaps poor governance, poor leadership or a combination of both.

Lol what about law enforcement in West Bengal , worse than UP. UP government is penalizing rioters ,what is Momota begum doing?

 

[S. A. T. A]

The issue is not restricted to illegal immigrants buddy. The idea of NRC and CAA is larger than you have understood.

The current government wants to expose how the previous governments tried to settle the illegals from particular community inside India for votes. The demographic change in India is a planned practice for appeasement politics. Had there been no awareness, Rohingyas would have become Indian citizens, marrying Indian girls.

You come to India you marry Indian girl, you will become Indian citizen. And congress was giving this opportunity to the illegal Bangladeshis and later Rohingyas. In return they would always vote for congress. The local MLA's and people in central government were providing them with documents through out.

This is the game being played.

My friend we know exactly why the CAA was hastily pushed through. BJP was hoping to reap the benefit of NRC in Assam, because they had bought into the old propaganda of tens of millions of illegal Bangladeshi Muslims in Assam and WB. As it turned out, not only were the numbers exaggerated, but the proportion of Hindus Bangladeshis turned out to be significantly higher than what was expected. To allow the NRC to reach its logical conclusion in Assam, which would have led to deporting or detaining all illegal migrants, would have clearly resulted in a BJP wipe out in WB. This is why it is important to pay attention to the speech made by HM Amit shah in the lower house of the parliament, where he took pains to explain the sequence, first CAA, then NRC. This is nothing but the old game of divide and win elections.

 

[S. A. T. A]

I'm pretty sure either it was you or Vsdoc or both who got banned in Other Forum.

It's not pockets. It's pockets where the Muslims have majority or 15%+ population. The answer is too many Muslims. Even in their own countries for lack for non-muslims, they kill each other on who is the best Muslim. The nation building exercise has failed because they failed to eject these desert culters or at least bind them to lower numbers. What what do you mean historical baggage? The last mulla riot was a couple weeks ago. It's not history, it's present.

What if he is like a mix of all those, like a super activist created in a Masjid-Church lab in a vat of holy water and Quranic verses and programmer to hate Hindu Right?

The crux of the matter is the leadership failed to inculcate progressive values among the people of those affected regions. Blaming Muslims alone wont help, the leadership failed to develop Hindus and Muslims into a tolerant, progressive and cohesive entity. Perhaps people in those regions never took interest in holding their leadership into account. This is reflected in not only poor communal ties, but also abject socio-economic condition in these regions.

 

[S. A. T. A]

Lol what about law enforcement in West Bengal , worse than UP. UP government is penalizing rioters ,what is Momota begum doing?

Large scale protests, including Muslims, happened in other states and UT's too, without ending up in pitched shooting battle. So the evidence points to a poor riot management philosophy of the UP govt. perhaps they never cared about such things.

 

[Janardan Shukla]

The crux of the matter is the leadership failed to inculcate progressive values among the people of those affected regions. Blaming Muslims alone wont help, the leadership failed to develop Hindus and Muslims into a tolerant, progressive and cohesive entity. Perhaps people in those regions never took interest in holding their leadership into account. This is reflected in not only poor communal ties, but also abject socio-economic condition in these regions.

What could leadership do when one side is convinced through its ' holy teachings ' that it is good to hate someone who disagrees with you and even you could kill him which will grant you Jannat.
No one can Quran okay so just don't give this rubbish argument.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

A veritable human version of a lie detecting polygraph machine should never feel naked or exposed. Seriously it has not been a easy exercise for me to find someone as learned a you indulge in communal diatribe. My anguish is genuine and very deep. Posting tweets is not my better side and i leave that to my more social media savvy friends, besides I'm rather too old for keeping tabs on Bollywood stars. However i sympathize with you on misisng out on your daily Bollywood fix. I pray the tinsel town stars do their social media acts more regularly.

Not once have I ever targeted muslims, in my over posts of 2300 here and on pervious forum, not once so I don't know how you have found me communal. I have targeted jihadis, the *censored*s that burn my country.

I had no malice towards muslims prior to CAA but that day I saw 20-25 thousands of them on road in the city I work, targeting everyone, the media didn't show it, they didn't even mentioned it but it happened. Every single riot before these CAA protests have a reason, reason of honour, extremism from other side, some reason that later got out of control. Here there was no reason, zero reason at all for Indian Muslims why did they came on road then? Why did they burned down whole country? Why were they targeting people going to home after work (my colleague saved his life by hiding into a police station). Why? If it was misinformation few would have came out, some area specific but it happened across the country. Why?

The reason is deep, way too deep. Why this much love for Pakistani Muslims that left India by taking a part of it? Why will you burn your own country for people who didn't give shit about you? Why do you think? Answer is evident, except religion there is nothing that is common in this, from Kashmir to Kerala nothing else is common. If you think you will get the answer too.

I still have no malice towards muslims and I still hate jihadis like always, I am just more vigilant, if you are going to stab a knife in my back for trusting you, loving you as my own the least I should do is to stop funding for that knife and lookout for me and my family. If I am called communal for it so be it, occupational hazard.

 

[Sanglamorre]

The crux of the matter is the leadership failed to inculcate progressive values among the people of those affected regions. Blaming Muslims alone wont help, the leadership failed to develop Hindus and Muslims into a tolerant, progressive and cohesive entity. Perhaps people in those regions never took interest in holding their leadership into account. This is reflected in not only poor communal ties, but also abject socio-economic condition in these regions.

Ayy lmao, I used to buy into that thinking too. But tell me, when Muslims from impoverished regions to Jamia jihadis are throwing rocks and burning buses, it cannot be a question of economy or education. It's the religion. That accursed religion of theirs is to blame.

There are piss poor Hindus too. They don't exactly come out to riot every few months. Or Christians, or Buddhists, or Jains.

It's just Muslims. Because of their religion. Well, I don't care what they do as long as they're doing it far away from me. Which in this case is to get them to *censored* off from India, or bring them into same level of law abidance as the rest of people.

There's only one medicine for violent people. Disproportionate, overwhelming counter violence. Didn't see any trains burnt again post 2002 in Gujrat.

Not once have I ever targeted muslims, in my over posts of 2300 here and on pervious forum, not once so I don't know how you have found me communal. I have targeted jihadis, the *censored*s that burn my country.

I had no malice towards muslims prior to CAA but that day I saw 20-25 thousands of them on road in the city I work, targeting everyone, the media didn't show it, they didn't even mentioned it but it happened. Every single riot before these CAA protests have a reason, reason of honour, extremism from other side, some reason that later got out of control. Here there was no reason, zero reason at all for Indian Muslims why did they came on road then? Why did they burned down whole country? Why were they targeting people going to home after work (my colleague saved his life by hiding into a police station). Why? If it was misinformation few would have came out, some area specific but it happened across the country. Why?

The reason is deep, way too deep. Why this much love for Pakistani Muslims that left India by taking a part of it? Why will you burn your own country for people who didn't give shit about you? Why do you think? Answer is evident, except religion there is nothing that is common in this, from Kashmir to Kerala nothing else is common. If you think you will get the answer too.

I still have no malice towards muslims and I still hate jihadis like always, I am just more vigilant, if you are going to stab a knife in my back for trusting you, loving you as my own the least I should do is to stop funding for that knife and lookout for me and my family. If I am called communal for it so be it, occupational hazard.

Also buy a knife and see if you can gather license and funds for a firearm. Teach people in your house to make and handle basic melee weapons and to weaponise household objects for defence when the rioting jihadis come. Harsh but also gather poison in case it seems the jihadis will overwhelm your defences. You don't want to get caught alive.

 

[S. A. T. A]

Not once have I ever targeted muslims, in my over posts of 2300 here and on pervious forum, not once so I don't know how you have found me communal. I have targeted jihadis, the *censored*s that burn my country.

I had no malice towards muslims prior to CAA but that day I saw 20-25 thousands of them on road in the city I work, targeting everyone, the media didn't show it, they didn't even mentioned it but it happened. Every single riot before these CAA protests have a reason, reason of honour, extremism from other side, some reason that later got out of control. Here there was no reason, zero reason at all for Indian Muslims why did they came on road then? Why did they burned down whole country? Why were they targeting people going to home after work (my colleague saved his life by hiding into a police station). Why? If it was misinformation few would have came out, some area specific but it happened across the country. Why?

The reason is deep, way too deep. Why this much love for Pakistani Muslims that left India by taking a part of it? Why will you burn your own country for people who didn't give shit about you? Why do you think? Answer is evident, except religion there is nothing that is common in this, from Kashmir to Kerala nothing else is common. If you think you will get the answer too.

I still have no malice towards muslims and I still hate jihadis like always, I am just more vigilant, if you are going to stab a knife in my back for trusting you, loving you as my own the least I should do is to stop funding for that knife and lookout for me and my family. If I am called communal for it so be it, occupational hazard.

My friend i don't believe i said you called for killing Muslims, i apologize if i did so or insinuated any such. However you have given cause for a partisan view, which coming from a person like you, whose insightful posts i have admired( along with Anonymous) i find disconcerting.

Lets leave our real or perceived biases for the time being and think neutrally. Muslims have come to recognize the BJP ( and its affiliated outfits) as a party that has no love lost for them and their culture. BJP leaders have in the past 30 odd years so have made remarks and carried out acts that Muslims perceive to be threatening to their existence. With this in hindsight, it is only natural for the Muslims to view every move by the BJP, especially concerning them, with a degree of suspicion. Instead of alleviating any misgivings, top BJP leadership, no less than the PM, who remarked about the attire of the protesters, have only helped stoke their fears. This is how the average Muslims see the the BJP and there no point in brushing this under the carpet.

Its too late in the day to brood over what may have or could have happened during the partition. ideally yes since it was the congress leadership that agreed to go with the partition, then they could have insisted on full transfer of Hindu and Muslim population to the respective new created dominions. However that did not happen and we cannot pull back the wheels. We need to learn to accommodate our 180 million plus Muslim citizen, without any appeasement of any community. This is the only way we can progress as a peaceful and progressive state. Any other option is going to be colossal human disaster.

 

[S. A. T. A]

What could leadership do when one side is convinced through its ' holy teachings ' that it is good to hate someone who disagrees with you and even you could kill him which will grant you Jannat.
No one can Quran okay so just don't give this rubbish argument.

How come many of my Muslim colleagues, many from UP or Bihar don't indulge in rioting and vandalism as their favorite hobby. Secular education can helped alleviate medieval thinking, this is true for both Hindus and Muslims. Had it not been for progrressive seculation education, Hindus and Muslims, Upper castes and lower castes, would have given vent to their perceived historical injustices on a daily blood basis. This feeling that every Muslims is out to get a Hindus is as misguided as the belief, that every lower caste dalit is out to grind a historical axe against the upper castes. There is a real possibility that good portion of people may harbout such tendencies, however secular progressive education has tempered most of those passions.

 

[Saaho]

When Indira Gandhi imposed her emergency, there was widespread support for her from ordinary citizens who still swooning from her durga act in East Pakistan and the first nuclear test. Still students and citizens who cared for the constitution, democracy and rule of law and came out and protested with what they could. Because they believed the price of freedom was eternal vigilance and vigilant we always must be...

I have a question WHICH freedom is being curtailed by CAA or NRC? Where do you see government arresting his political opposition leaders? Where do you see them amending constitution illegally as Indira Gandhi did? Owasi is still at large, congress is still free, press is still freely publishing article, election are being held EVEN though ruling party does not perform optimally. So where is this curtailment of freedom?

BTW, by the same token, by using this protest, obstruction of economy and destruction of public property aren't the protestors themselves doing undemocratic and not to mention illegal activity? If they have so much faith in democracy why cann't they show their democratic power in election? Why to destroy public property, stop all economic activity and punish ordinary citizens?

 

[Saaho]

Rioters vandalize

And that is illegal and should be punished with lethal force.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

My friend i don't believe i said you called for killing Muslims, i apologize if i did so or insinuated any such. However you have given cause for a partisan view, which coming from a person like you, whose insightful posts i have admired( along with Anonymous) i find disconcerting.

Lets leave our real or perceived biases for the time being and think neutrally. Muslims have come to recognize the BJP ( and its affiliated outfits) as a party that has no love lost for them and their culture. BJP leaders have in the past 30 odd years so have made remarks and carried out acts that Muslims perceive to be threatening to their existence. With this in hindsight, it is only natural for the Muslims to view every move by the BJP, especially concerning them, with a degree of suspicion. Instead of alleviating any misgivings, top BJP leadership, no less than the PM, who remarked about the attire of the protesters, have only helped stoke their fears. This is how the average Muslims see the the BJP and there no point in brushing this under the carpet.

Its too late in the day to brood over what may have or could have happened during the partition. ideally yes since it was the congress leadership that agreed to go with the partition, then they could have insisted on full transfer of Hindu and Muslim population to the respective new created dominions. However that did not happen and we cannot pull back the wheels. We need to learn to accommodate our 180 million plus Muslim citizen, without any appeasement of any community. This is the only way we can progress as a peaceful and progressive state. Any other option is going to be colossal human disaster.

I don't have any sympathy for BJP, infact if one person who reduced this positive bill to Hindu Muslim issue was Amit Shah with his highly stupid speech but if you put historical context he was not wrong either though his presentation was really ugly that messed up whole thing. Your view of CAA being implemented to avoid blowback of NRC is also correct, infact both Assam CM and Amit Shah has publicly said this that they will first do CAA and then NRC not hard to join the dots.

But not withstanding anything reaction of whole community was not rational infact very provocative. If BJP is doing something they promised in manifesto and in vision document they got a mandate for it. Congress removed POTA did Hindus came out to burn the country down? From advisory to everything Congress took appeasement to next level did Hindus come out like this? But Muslim community did, that too on a bill that didn't even concerned them. If the bill was so atrocious SC will remove it, but you don't trust SC as they ruled against your wish. BJP waited 70yrs (or whatever) to implement their agenda they so publicly put on record, vote your favorite government they will remove this bill just like POTA.

Can't wait? Can't trust SC? Can't trust this country's other population? Just grouped up as a religion and started burning everything down. Others 17 crore who voted BJP waited, trusted everyone but you can't?

Whole onus, whole responsibility is on others and you are free to do anything? Using place of worship for politics and incite violence, who will stop this? Don't people, so called sane people in their community have this responsibility? They can't clean themselves up? Provide shelter to every anti social, anti India element just in name of religion.

Tell me why average folk won't look at them with suspicion?