Maybe or maybe the fireworks are there at daytime too, just not visible. Anyway, let's not bicker over technicalities looking at footage from a grainy video. In time all doubts will be cleared.
Man Portable Anti-Tank Guided Missile (MPATGM) Developments : Updates & Discussions
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There's a soft launch followed by the booster kicking in from a safe distance. Plus the user's face is protected by the TI camera.
Just had the same debate with @Ashwin. Agree about the Command Launch Unit(CLU) offering protection but what about the loader. These things are likely to be operated by a two man gunner and a loader team, right ?
Only the gunner is in line with the backblast, not the loader. And even then, it's only just bit of smoke.
Thats not good,we need better.Though any tank can be taken out if hit from an side angel or rear.Though type 99s are small in number and deployed facing korea,they can be redeployed .Dont know if their engines would allow them to operate in tibet though.
Is the spike deal still on?I don't think konkurs m can take out t-99 in one hit either.Maybe kornet can.What other options we have?
Type 99 armor is not known, but I see no reason it could be impressive (China has low experience in tank design and has no or very few tank batte experience). After all T99 is a derivative of russian T72, not reputed to be hard to be penetrated, even if T99 is heavier.
So I think it's not a problem for a new Milan warhead.
It's most desirable to hit a tank from its weakest angle. But now tanks can survive hits even against top attack ATGMs. I don't think there is any ATGM in existence today that can actually destroy an advanced tank in one hit from any angle except the rear. Even with top attack, you may need multiple hits.
Plus the Type 99 comes with an active laser dazzler, so 2nd gen ATGMs will not be very effective anyway. Konkurs faces the same problem as the MILAN. I would even question their ability to hit a target that has a soft kill APS installed, let alone hard kill. You can also expect the tank to automatically turn towards you and kill you before the missile is able to reach the tank, so the gunner won't be able to paint the target long enough, and the missile is now facing the strongest tank armour, which is likely to miss anyway since the launcher has been taken out.
I would question the ability of manned teams operating the ridiculously heavy Kornet in Tibetan altitudes in a sustained manner in areas where you will meet the Type 99 in battle. It's not man portable, although variants exist. It's used much more defensively, like from a border post or from vehicles.
The Type 99 should be able to operate in Tibet. It has greater power to weight than the T-90S does, and the Chinese have pretty decent engine tech.
Spike deal is still active. But DRDO is still insisting its MPATGM can be inducted before the Spike can, and this claim has been further bolstered by the new test. But the Spike will undergo summer trials this year, after it failed last year. So it looks like some will be bought as long as it clears trials, but the main workhorse will be DRDO's MPATGM.
Beyond that, the Americans have offered the joint development of a "4th gen" ATGM and the French have offered joint development of a "5th gen" ATGM with MMP as the base. The MMP is obviously more advanced than the current Javelin, Spike and MPATGM. So we may see the parallel inductions of MPATGM and an India-specific version of MMP currently called ATGM5.
We went and bought 25,000 konkurs m nonetheless.
15,000 m version from 2008,then 10,000 m1 version in 2012.Just bought a new batch this february of upgraded m1 models unspecified numbers so army must be happy.Its good enough for Pakistani tanks and the bulk of chinese type 96g and older models.Its cheap and reliable,i guess thats why army went for it and also its vehicle installation ability.The newer Metis has slightly more penetration but half the range.Kornet weight as you said is massivedespite its awesome penetration and range.A limited number of spike should be procured for the china border.
Good to hear about the MMP.
The BMP-2 upgrade includes missile upgrade to kornet,which will help the independent armoured brigades on LAC.We also bought 3000 kornets,but where these are no one knows.Its said these are deployed with specialized tank buster battalions held in reserve,or in recon units.
We went and bought 25,000 konkurs m nonetheless.
Its good enough for *censored* tanks and the bulk of chinese type 96g and older models.Its cheap and reliable,i guess thats why army went for it and also its vehicle installation ability.The newer Metis has slightly more penetration but half the range.Kornet weight as you said is massivedespite its awesome penetration and range.A limited number of spike should be procured for the china border.
Good to hear about the MMP.
The BMP-2 upgrade includes missile upgrade to kornet,which will help the independent armoured brigades on LAC.We also bought 3000 kornets,but where these are no one knows.Its said these are deployed with specialized tank buster battalions held in reserve,or in recon units.
2nd gen ATGMs are very capable against 100% of Pak tanks and pretty much all of Chinese tanks. Naturally, they can be used against APCs, IFVs and other vehicles also. And the Kornet comfortably outranges all tanks and most other ATGMs.
We are still continuing to buy Kornet, Konkurs and MILAN. We recently signed a production deal for Konkurs, which BDL will build, followed by another soon-to-be-signed MILAN production contract for 5000 missiles.
The T-90 is also getting the Invar/Refleks missile, an upgrade over the older Svir. Plus DRDO is also developing a tube-fired ATGM for T-90 and Arjun called CLGM.
Based on the CLGM, infantry will be getting a new missile called SAMHO. It is capable of attacking tanks and helicopters.
As for BMP-2, 900+ of them are being upgraded and will carry the Kornet. So 10,000 missiles in the first order followed by a few thousand every year. This is separate from the man portable version. IA will also be introducing NAMICA with Nag (Prospina) pretty soon.
Among air launched systems, there will be Hellfire, HELINA, SANT, all fired from UCAVs and helicopters. Brimstone is being considered for some fixed wing aircraft. We may see induction of Spike or Pars 3 for Rudra, but the status is not clear. The delay has ensured import is not necessary, but import can be done as a stopgap measure until HELINA and SANT become available.
Finally a better view of the launcher. The missile looks lovely.
This feels good. There was a time we had none now we have multiple competitive products in the same capability bracket. Hope at least one of them gets a big order.
Me too !Now i want MANPADs !
What is this though ? From VEM Tech
Also :
BDL displayed this model in the past :
Rather good looking for an model. Doesn't look like a lot has changed. Still can't believe the number of fins on the mid-section. I count 8 fins on the mid body, 4 on the rear.
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DRDO issued a tender for batteries for the CLU of MPATGM. Spec sheet :
DRDO issued a tender for batteries for the CLU of MPATGM. Spec sheet :