Mirage 2000H, MiG-29UPG, Jaguar DARIN III - Medium Multirole Aircraft of IAF
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Indian Air Force Eyes Mirage-2000 Fighters From Qatar, Greece To Boost Its Strength
12 Mirage 2000 from Qatar and 18 M2000 from Greece as spares.
For the Indian Air Force (IAF), desperately short of fighters (currently at 31 squadrons instead of the 40), temporary relief may be at hand with Qatar offering it 12 little-used Mirage-2000-5 fighters. A team headed by a Group Captain (equivalent to a Colonel in the Army) is likely to visit Doha in the coming weeks to assess the aircraft.
The offer is being seriously considered as the offer price is reasonable and it comes with spares, including engines, "testers" and importantly, air-to-air weapons like the MICA. Each aircraft, including the additional engines, spares and weapons come to less than Rs 500 crores, a steal, according to sources. The fighters haven't been used much-- they have 30 percent of their life, approximately 1,500
Meanwhile, Michel Spinellis, a senior Greek defence ministry official, will be in New Delhi to discuss closer military ties with India. Greece is already a strategic partner and they have offered 18 Mirage-2000s. These are older planes and they can be broken up and used for spares. Initial reports suggest that some of the 18 can be purchased and India has asked the Greeks for an offer. The Greeks may suggest a joint offer to the French to buy Rafales. India has 36 and the Hellenic Air Force, 24. Ordering more Rafales jointly could lead to a slight reduction in price and also, early delivery, the Greeks argue.
12 Mirage 2000 from Qatar and 18 M2000 from Greece as spares.
For the Indian Air Force (IAF), desperately short of fighters (currently at 31 squadrons instead of the 40), temporary relief may be at hand with Qatar offering it 12 little-used Mirage-2000-5 fighters. A team headed by a Group Captain (equivalent to a Colonel in the Army) is likely to visit Doha in the coming weeks to assess the aircraft.
The offer is being seriously considered as the offer price is reasonable and it comes with spares, including engines, "testers" and importantly, air-to-air weapons like the MICA. Each aircraft, including the additional engines, spares and weapons come to less than Rs 500 crores, a steal, according to sources. The fighters haven't been used much-- they have 30 percent of their life, approximately 1,500
Meanwhile, Michel Spinellis, a senior Greek defence ministry official, will be in New Delhi to discuss closer military ties with India. Greece is already a strategic partner and they have offered 18 Mirage-2000s. These are older planes and they can be broken up and used for spares. Initial reports suggest that some of the 18 can be purchased and India has asked the Greeks for an offer. The Greeks may suggest a joint offer to the French to buy Rafales. India has 36 and the Hellenic Air Force, 24. Ordering more Rafales jointly could lead to a slight reduction in price and also, early delivery, the Greeks argue.
They asked $680 million for 12 Mirages from Indonesia, thats expensive.
Which mirages are going to Ukraine btw?
I hope we do not buy it at that cost.
57 mil a piece. No thank you. I would rather have IAF order 8 more Tejas.
We should get Mig-29N & Su-30MKM from Malaysia. Mig-29 is in storage and can be good for spares and we can upgrade the MKM.
After the Indonesia rejected the Mirage-2000-5 offer from Qatar, there was news that Qatar wanted to give them away free to Morocco.
Where did this offer to India come from? Is this news reliable (as the article says India has Mirage-2000 when in actual India has Mirage 2000-5).
@randomradio @victor Jockey
Does it make sense to buy these used Mirage 2000-5 from Qatar? Vs ordering new MK1A or new Rafale?
As a stop gap, these aircraft are a good choice and will help IAF raise the fourth sqn of Mirages.
Good decision if done 5-10 years back and MkI zed along with Mirage 2000 upg.
Now Mk1A production going to hit 16/ year this year..
24/yr next?
With kinematic performance of 80 ℅ of mirage, avionics, Radar, weapons all generation ahead..
1/3 radar cross section..
Mk1A wins hands down.
If we can get mirages at throwaway price then I am all for it.
A) if you have enough details, would you compare MK1A to Mirage 2000-5?
B) Is it worth to buy 12 Mirage 2000-5 for around $790Million (price offered to Indonesia)?
C) how come qatar has only 12 Mirage 2000-5? They crashed all the remaining they bought?
No it doesnt. Mirage is more capable. It a proper medium weight fighter. LCA Mk2 is projected to replace these not Mk1A.
Found a 20-year-old thread on pre-MMRCA discussion on licensed production of Mirages. - Mirage-2000-5 for India
In 2005-06, we were very close to buying these same Qatari mirages for $600 million. Some things never change.
In 2005-06, we were very close to buying these same Qatari mirages for $600 million. Some things never change.
You need to compare LCA MK1A to Mig-21 Bison. It is replacement of Mig-21s. M2K is a class in itself and its rival is Mig-29. So I am for these jets. LCA MK2 will be an upgrade on M2K and that is what we should compare with M2K.
We have/are going to order MK1A in huge numbers. Let IAF order the plane they love most as they still have an important role to play. More Mirage-2000 is always a welcome decision.
Mk1a is not supposed to be doing mk2 or mirages like multirole perform. No matter how much HAL try to market it that way or we want, to the user it should always be for the role it was intended for, as mig21 replacement. That means primary use is putting Mk1a in front of any rogue jet that is looking to encroach inside the countries airspace. Mk1a is not supposed to venture outside the country airspace and like the mig21 it should have limited ground attack capability.
So basically extra mirages should not interfere with any current and future mk1a orders theoretically if fund is allocated. It can eat into mk2 numbers though which is the true fighter class and able mirage 2k replacement. But with thin sqn numbers this can be a temporary solution for a jet the IAF still considers a frontline platform.