You have to look at the cost also. 57 million for a plane going to serve for 15 years only?
Mirage 2000H, MiG-29UPG, Jaguar DARIN III - Medium Multirole Aircraft of IAF
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We don't know the cost yet. The cost of Indonesian includes training, maintenance, and some other middleman costs, etc.
Yes cost is always a factor with us, but first we have to see if IAF considering it vital which could give a govt nod for it. At present its all just speculation.
What makes Mk1a less survivable in enemy airspace compared to M2000? Does M2000 have better avionics or RCS? Or is its kinematic performance so significantly better than Mk1a?
M-2000 has more endurance, greater payload and superior kinematics vis-a-vis MK1A. But avionics wise MK1A is way more superior to it(even to upgraded ones).
MK1A deep strike inside Pakistan is no problem as Pak isn't very wide. RCS of MK1A is also better than that of M-2000. Don't think M-2000 would be any more survival than MK1A.
Yet the point is that IAF is comfortable with M-2000 for multiple reasons and if they're available for decent price then they should be procured. We've already ordered huge number of MK1As so this argument of more MK1A in-place of these Qatari M-2000 falls flat.
Nothing on less or more survivable part, but its a light category jet. A fighter class need both longer ferry range ie more fuel capacity and at least 100kn class engine as primary requirement. Without it I don't think even IAF would want to push it to that role, hence Mirages still dominate. With mk2 the picture changes completely.
Unless they give at throwaway price or if it's part of geopolitics, we won't buy it.
I am 100 ℅ sure.
@randomradio please give your opinion.
A) why not India buy 12 Rafale (with some additional money) instead of buying 12 Mirage2000-5, unless one of the reasons is not to let them fall into p-a-k-i-s hands.
B) why not buy MK1A instead of used Mirage 2000-5s? Is MK1A's range and weapon carrying capacity too less when compared to 2000-5?
C) personally, I feel unless the 2000-5s are cheap and unless the intent is to not to let them fall into dirty hands, it is better to buy Rafale by putting some additional money.
Your opinion?
More noise
India, Qatar discuss proposal for sale of 12 used Mirage-2000 fighter aircraft.
India, Qatar discuss proposal for sale of 12 used Mirage-2000 fighter aircraft.
There is no way it's worth 5,000 cr. They will also need some limited upgrades and customizations. It's not worth it at these prices.
Along with Mica missile system, plus spares and a spare engine .
Indian Air Force Eyes Mirage 2000-N Fighters From Qatar, Greece To Boost Its Strength
The offer is being seriously considered as the offer price is reasonable and it comes with spares, including engines, "testers" and importantly, air-to-air weapons like the MICA. Each aircraft, including the additional engines, spares and weapons comes to less than Rs 500 crores, a steal...
Just dont buy them unless they are free... waste of money at this point. Buy more Rafales.
Rafales any time but Rafales will take time, IAF wants something in fly away condition to fill the gap right away. The aircraft can be later used as trainer as well. This is why those Nagastra drone was also procured in emergency to reduce the load since there is a lack of adequate flying assets to complete the full spectrum.
What takes time is Indian paperwork. There's always a reason to report, delay, and procrastinate.
In this case of Mirage 2000-5, paper work will be swift because if they take more than a year then it doesn't solve the purpose of getting it in fly away condition.
India is already negotiating for 26 Rafales for it's navy but the naval version is very costly.
Rafale: Indian Navy might end up paying twice the amount IAF had paid for the fighter jets, claims report
Amid Indian Navy's negotiations with Dassault Aviation to buy its Rafale Marine Fighter Jets, a report has claimed that the French defence major may be selling the aircraft at twice the price of what it had sold for Indian Air Force.
www.wionews.com
what is the chance of upgrading these Mirage 2000-5 for naval operation in case India gets it?
Neither Rafale nor Tejas is replacement of M-2000. Only M2K is its own replacement. We should definitely procure it as it's coming with additional engines and more MICA missiles.
They seem to have forgotten about inflation. Should have signed the contract in 2019 before the pandemic and the invasion of Ukraine.
By the way:
Pretty funny to see them labelled as 2000N. No, the 2000N were not exported to anyone...
I assume you mean anti-ship operations? There's no such thing as a naval Mirage 2000; and even if there were, you can't retrofit an air force aircraft into a carrier-capable one.
Those from Greece are already fitted for Exocet. For the Qatari ones, I'm not sure, but I don't think Exocet integration would be difficult.
Yes there were editing errors in this news title, but rest are correct with the spare parts .
All sorts of marine operations. Well that's interesting that Mirage 2000 was never considered for marine version upgradation.