MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions

What is your favorite for MMRCA 2.0 ?

  • F-35 Blk 4

    Votes: 31 13.1%
  • Rafale F4

    Votes: 187 78.9%
  • Eurofighter Typhoon T3

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • Gripen E/F

    Votes: 6 2.5%
  • F-16 B70

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • F-18 SH

    Votes: 9 3.8%
  • F-15EX

    Votes: 9 3.8%
  • Mig-35

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Total voters
    237
:unsure: humm.....
" .... He also indicated the weapon would be no larger than the AIM-120 (and some marketing pics show it really smaller)

Lockheed Martin may have adopted some form of boost-coast-boost configuration for the AIM-260 motor, possibly with a higher-energy propellant than previous generations of solid motors. Even so, it remains questionable whether this would provide a similar overall performance to a Meteor-class missile. "

Yeah, about the same size as the Aim-120, so it does not create carriage problems.

It's in a similar class as the I-Derby ER, K-77M, PL-15, Astra Mk2, MICA-NG etc. So an advanced seeker, dual thrust motor etc.

Unlikely to be in the same class as Meteor, but definitely better than all existing BVR missiles. At least, the goal is to beat the PL-15.
 
It's not us spy,it's the OEM personals is maintaining the product. Lot of MNC engineering products were kept working like that in many part of the world. We Indians were not habituated such working culture,that doesn't means that we need to ridicule that system.
The reason for high availability rate of C17, Hercules, Apache bare due to OEM engineers stations at the base to maintain the product. And for your information, OEM engineers need not to be white guys, generally ( in other industries,I don't about military) OEM will recruit from local and give training and will be posted at respective products. And they will be penalized if they didn't complete the work on time,a luxury we can't enjoy with defence civilian service.
Assumption is the mother of all failures. OEM= Defence contractors. CIA put there field agent as defence contractors. There are many examples of that in middle East . You can search it up. The job of defence contractors is to make sure that nothing is being copied/stolen and ofcourse spy . Maintenance can be done by IAF guys simply by providing the equipment from the factory rather than on the operational base. There is a very good reason we don't trust Americans - they have a very bad habit of poking there nose everywhere. Nonetheless if you really believe that , then you are just being naive.
 
About US provider : I hard a story from a french air force pilot, à friend, that the egyptian F16 uterly looser radar trac when their target enter any zone close To US interests.
 
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@Picdelamirand-oil, this person is telling rafale b is more suitable for ground strike. Is it true? Rafale B is a trainer version, right?
No, it's a common idea because it's usually the case with other fighter. The Rafale B is an operational aircraft like the Rafale C, it's not a training aircraft. It is used for complex missions, for example the nuclear mission is carried out by the air force with Rafale B, if the ground attack is carried out in a contested space, the Rafale B allows the workload to be shared between two men the pilot and the NOSA, the pilot takes care of the trajectory and the air/air aspect while the Nosa takes care of the air/ground aspect.
 
No, it's a common idea because it's usually the case with other fighter. The Rafale B is an operational aircraft like the Rafale C, it's not a training aircraft. It is used for complex missions, for example the nuclear mission is carried out by the air force with Rafale B, if the ground attack is carried out in a contested space, the Rafale B allows the workload to be shared between two men the pilot and the NOSA, the pilot takes care of the trajectory and the air/air aspect while the Nosa takes care of the air/ground aspect.
My doubt may be a foolish one. Additional pilot means alit takes a lot of space for second pilot & associated itmes. Also the extra weigt for associated items. This supported to reduce internal electronic items or fuel, or less space for complex gadgets. Then how come it can perform better in contested battle field for ground strike.
 
My doubt may be a foolish one. Additional pilot means alit takes a lot of space for second pilot & associated itmes. Also the extra weigt for associated items. This supported to reduce internal electronic items or fuel, or less space for complex gadgets. Then how come it can perform better in contested battle field for ground strike.
There is 500 Kg less fuel and nothing else different. In an exercise in middle east a rafale B was able to attack 6 ground target and 5 air target in less than one minute.
 
About US provider : I hard a story from a french air force pilot, à friend, that the egyptian F16 uterly looser radar trac when their target enter any zone close To US interests.
Some of the Egyptian F16s are A/Bs. Therefore they would certainly have deficiencies. But the deficiencies would be uniform.
 
My doubt may be a foolish one. Additional pilot means alit takes a lot of space for second pilot & associated itmes. Also the extra weigt for associated items. This supported to reduce internal electronic items or fuel, or less space for complex gadgets. Then how come it can perform better in contested battle field for ground strike.
The internal fuel capacity of the B is reduced, and it is slightly heavier in wet config.

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Breaking NEWS !!! : The 5 are now on the Indian soil....

 
The Meteor is another one but then the typhoon would have been preferred unlike the rafale because it takes complete advantage of the meteor unlike the rafale.
Sorry, but I consider being able to take fully advantage of the Meteor's range thanks to a good AESA radar that actually works much more important than the two-way communication for which I have not seen any convincing tactical use.

It's telling that none of the export customers have bothered demanding the missing return feed. And they've asked for a lot of things!

The French themselves use the mica for most operations anyway.
The MICA is for short and medium range. It's a very good missile for this domain. The Meteor is for long range, especially high-value targets like an enemy tanker or AWACS so that with just one missile you can mission-kill an entire flight wing.

don't know from what I have read the typhoon is said to be a better air superiority fighter than the rafale.
The Typhoon is a bigger, heavier aircraft meant to do interceptions. It's actually a worse air superiority fighter than the Rafale, according to the leaked Swiss evaluations.
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Notice how the Rafale scores better than the Typhoon in all roles, including all air-to-air roles? Defensive counter air, offensive counter air, and escort missions. Also better in air policing thanks to shorter reaction times, reconnaissance, and air to ground.
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The evaluation by characteristics was slightly more generous to the Typhoon, giving it an edge for performances, workload, and engagement. On all other metrics, the Rafale is better, including for situational awareness, detection, identification, acquisition, and electronic warfare.

The only way to cross that height is to wear a pressure/space suit, and Rafale comes with it. As do other jets.
Don't confuse the G-suit with a space suit. The Rafale, just like other jets, come with a G-suit. The pressure is there to mitigate the effects of G forces flushing the blood out of the head during maneuvers. The Typhoon officially boasts a higher service ceiling than the Rafale but, as you said, the human limits apply to all pilots and in practice there's no real difference.

The engine, however, is optimized for high-altitude on the Typhoon while the Rafale's engine is more of an all-altitude compromise so that it's good in low-level flight too. That's where the Typhoon can get superior performances, but that's assuming a Typhoon in a clean configuration, with just the missiles mounted in the semi-recessed points, and that's where the Typhoon's low endurance comes to bite its back: sure, you can get high performances, but not for very long.