MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions

What is your favorite for MMRCA 2.0 ?

  • F-35 Blk 4

    Votes: 32 13.4%
  • Rafale F4

    Votes: 187 78.2%
  • Eurofighter Typhoon T3

    Votes: 4 1.7%
  • Gripen E/F

    Votes: 6 2.5%
  • F-16 B70

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • F-18 SH

    Votes: 9 3.8%
  • F-15EX

    Votes: 9 3.8%
  • Mig-35

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Total voters
    239
Well this adaptive mirror technique may be true or maybe just a marketing gimmick. But even France is going towards shaping & using absorbing material for there next generation fighter jet aka Future Combat Air System.

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if France or for that matter other European countries are looking for this....then they are telling you something. Future is material & shape based stealth not EW based.... until there is major breakthrough in law of physics there will always be lag.
 
Well this adaptive mirror technique may be true or maybe just a marketing gimmick. But even France is going towards shaping & using absorbing material for there next generation fighter jet aka Future Combat Air System.



if France or for that matter other European countries are looking for this....then they are telling you something. Future is material & shape based stealth not EW based.... until there is major breakthrough in law of physics there will always be lag.
In the future we will probably need both techniques: active cancellation to counter multistatic and long wave radar as I have already explained and passive stealth because it simplifies the processing of active stealth (by the way the Rafale is LO) especially in really busy environments with multiple radars operating in multiple bands and links of all types having to be cancelled in the direction of the enemies.
 
Well this adaptive mirror technique may be true or maybe just a marketing gimmick. But even France is going towards shaping & using absorbing material for there next generation fighter jet aka Future Combat Air System.

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if France or for that matter other European countries are looking for this....then they are telling you something. Future is material & shape based stealth not EW based.... until there is major breakthrough in law of physics there will always be lag.

The smaller the RCS, the better is the active cancellation.

Su-57 will also come with active cancellation.
 
720 is not enough? :)
720 is a very low figure considering that even a small AESA with over 720 TRMs wherein every TRM is a radar in itself, can overwhelm this figure.

In the future we will probably need both techniques: active cancellation to counter multistatic and long wave radar as I have already explained and passive stealth because it simplifies the processing of active stealth (by the way the Rafale is LO) especially in really busy environments with multiple radars operating in multiple bands and links of all types having to be cancelled in the direction of the enemies.
Now we are on same page.
 
Do you know, after the Balakot strikes, we now have complete air superiority in Kashmir? That's the reason why we have been accurately pounding Pak Army positions beyond the LoC using UAVs.

After the strikes, the PAF completely retreated out of Kashmir and our UAVs have been flying inside their territory ever since.

Anyway, surge operations last 2-3 days, it's pretty standard, and that's when the OPFOR is erradicated as a threat.

No Sir, I have no idea about these. Maybe, because I don't twitter.
Neither do I believe anything which has twitter as a source.

Lots of competitive chest-beating happens all around amidst Pakistani-propaganda & Pakistani-turned Cheeni r**I vilaap.
All noise, barely any signal.

When something real happens, my friends can validate from ground. But neither do I ask much unless we meet in person (once in years) nor do they care to share. By the way, what's precipitating in Nepal was forecasted by my classmate between 2008-2010, since he commands Gurkha battalions & been speaking their language since 15 years. Recently, he recommended very soft-handling of Nepali crisis, lest it goes completely out of hand.

The overt truth that the world saw post-Balakot & post-Chinese intrusion has been extremely embarrassing so far, & internet canards cannot compensate for what has been blaring across screens over the world, every since.

The perception-loss is real. Perception matters - especially in our era.

IAF Top Brass owes the nation some redemption, having forced its pilots to guard our airspace in flying coffins for decades, for want of safer+effective aircrafts. Apologies if I have any sentiments.
 
Do you know, after the Balakot strikes, we now have complete air superiority in Kashmir? That's the reason why we have been accurately pounding Pak Army positions beyond the LoC using UAVs.

After the strikes, the PAF completely retreated out of Kashmir and our UAVs have been flying inside their territory ever since.

Anyway, surge operations last 2-3 days, it's pretty standard, and that's when the OPFOR is erradicated as a threat.

@Falcon @vstol Jockey is the above scenario accurate ?
 
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Ok you are not aware about it, thats tye reason for your bogus claim.on air superiority of IAF.
On 26th, our multiple aircrafts entered deep into their territory, bombed their militant installation and came back to base safely. On 27th they thought of doing the same by bombing our military installation. Over 20 of their aircrafts tried to do it but failed miserably. Not a single of their bomb hit the target or forced to miss the target by our defences. They fired multiple AMRAAMs at one of our Sukhoi but could only hit a Chaff cloud made by it. Now they retreat. One of our Mig 21 which was closest to them followed an f16 and entered their airspace and hit that jet with R 73 missile before itself being hit by an AMRAAM. PAF lost their pilot (doosra banda) who was beaten to death by locals who thought him to be an Indian pilot. At the end we got our pilot back who was captured by them.
 
720 is a very low figure considering that even a small AESA with over 720 TRMs wherein every TRM is a radar in itself, can overwhelm this figure.

He's referring to 720 radars with the available space for processing without upgrading the processors.

@Picdelamirand-oil
Not all 18 slots are used only for data processing though. You need slots for memory, graphics etc as well. But still even if 6 slots are used, that's 120 radars according to your calculation.
 
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No Sir, I have no idea about these. Maybe, because I don't twitter.
Neither do I believe anything which has twitter as a source.

Lots of competitive chest-beating happens all around amidst Pakistani-propaganda & Pakistani-turned Cheeni r**I vilaap.
All noise, barely any signal.

When something real happens, my friends can validate from ground. But neither do I ask much unless we meet in person (once in years) nor do they care to share. By the way, what's precipitating in Nepal was forecasted by my classmate between 2008-2010, since he commands Gurkha battalions & been speaking their language since 15 years. Recently, he recommended very soft-handling of Nepali crisis, lest it goes completely out of hand.

The overt truth that the world saw post-Balakot & post-Chinese intrusion has been extremely embarrassing so far, & internet canards cannot compensate for what has been blaring across screens over the world, every since.

The perception-loss is real. Perception matters - especially in our era.

IAF Top Brass owes the nation some redemption, having forced its pilots to guard our airspace in flying coffins for decades, for want of safer+effective aircrafts. Apologies if I have any sentiments.

The loss in perception is fine. It's actually benefitted us a lot on the ground since we keep hitting them and they stay quiet. The strikes were actually planned so that Pak can deny the strikes ever took place, just like they hid the previous surgical strikes. Ghafoora screwed up I suppose, in more ways than one.

Anyway, look at the video above, it clearly shows our UAV flying unchallenged over their territory.

@Falcon used to post regular Twitter updates on the number of PA troops killed before he quit tweeting a few months ago. Too bad.
 
The Typhoon is a joint project between Airbus, Bae, and Leonardo. All four countries tried to use it as a way to develop the technologies where they were weak, so everyone got to do what they were the least qualified to do, so as to catch up at the expenses of the others.

There isn't any such issue for Airbus's own internal projects, where it does not need to follow political demands for who does which part and can instead select on the basis of competency.


Airbus doesn't, but Dassault does: it's the Rafale.



Sez you. I believe the RBE2-AA matches the performances of the APG-81.


The F-22 has been much hyped, yes, but it's not without its own drawbacks. The program was cut down for cost and that has prevented it from getting to the numbers the USAF needed, and that makes it harder for it to get the funding it needs for upgrades. The F-35 is a complete shitshow, which was overpromised and underdelivered on everything (except LM's profit margin). And besides, you're not talking about the F-22 or F-35 here, but about the F-15, an aircraft whose design dates to the F-X program of 1965. Yeah it has had updates since, and the EX is an evolution of the Strike Eagle from the eighties. But it still has an airframe design with the rectangle air intakes and parallel fins at a right angle with the wings, that makes it a bitch and a half to try to mask from radars. It makes no sense to want this aircraft out of its supposed performances. The only possible reason to want it is to buy American protection. Is that a choice that India can afford to make, given how flimsy this protection looks nowadays?
How exactly rbe 2 is comparable to apg 81 ??
Range? Detection? Apg 81 is said to be superior to even apg 77 in some areas and you are comparing rbe 2 aesa. You sound as bad as the people who peddle f16's and amriki maal for every problem. Rafale is a good aircraft but it has its drawback. Plz stop defending European maal just for the sake of it. The physics just doesn't allow rbe2 to be as powerful as the apg 81 it just doesn't. Kisi aur ka choona lagao...
 
How exactly rbe 2 is comparable to apg 81 ??
Range? Detection? Apg 81 is said to be superior to even apg 77 in some areas and you are comparing rbe 2 aesa. You sound as bad as the people who peddle f16's and amriki maal for every problem. Rafale is a good aircraft but it has its drawback. Plz stop defending European maal just for the sake of it. The physics just doesn't allow rbe2 to be as powerful as the apg 81 it just doesn't. Kisi aur ka choona lagao...

The Tracking Range must be higher than the No Escape Zone of Meteor

For Air to Ground targets which will be targetted using Scalp and Hammer
The Coordinates are entered before the mission
 
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The Tracking Range must be higher than the No Escape Zone of Meteor

For Air to Ground targets which will be targetted using Scalp and Hammer
The Coordinates are entered before the mission
Stephen ji where did meteor come in
the conversation? He is comparing rbe 2 to apg 81 the f 135 itself has a higher thrust than the two m88 combined how will it have an equivalent range to the apg 81 when it can't even power it the equivalent levels. Plus apg 81 has an higher trm count. Rafale is good but it's the best 4th gen plane but it's nowhere close to American 5th gens..
 
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Stephen ji where did meteor come in
the conversation? He is comparing rbe 2 to apg 81 the f 135 itself has a higher thrust than the two m88 combined how will it have an equivalent range to the apg 81 when it can't even power it the equivalent levels. Plus apg 81 has an higher trm count. Rafale is good but it's the best 4th gen plane but it's nowhere close to American 5th gens..

I guess, he is saying, if RBE 2 can guide meteor or munitions, range should be enough..
 
I guess, he is saying, if RBE 2 can guide meteor or munitions, range should be enough..
Nowhere I'm saying that rbe 2 has pathetic range. What I'm saying on paper the f35 has more radar range than the rafale. Simple as that rbe 2 radar is obviously good enough but saying that it is equal to apg 77/81 is just wrong...
 
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Nowhere I'm saying that rbe 2 has pathetic range. What I'm saying on paper the f35 has more radar range than the rafale. Simple as that rbe 2 radar is obviously good enough but saying that it is equal to apg 77/81 is just wrong...

Hi, leaving rbe vs apg.. aside..
Is long range of radar , good or bad?
I mean what good it ll do if the range of radar is 500km but missile is just 200km, won't it alert the enemy aircraft.? If the enemy is in stealth, won't it invite trouble?

Can we control the radar range?
Retracting or extending as we like?
 
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Stephen ji where did meteor come in
the conversation? He is comparing rbe 2 to apg 81 the f 135 itself has a higher thrust than the two m88 combined how will it have an equivalent range to the apg 81 when it can't even power it the equivalent levels. Plus apg 81 has an higher trm count. Rafale is good but it's the best 4th gen plane but it's nowhere close to American 5th gens..

 
Nowhere I'm saying that rbe 2 has pathetic range. What I'm saying on paper the f35 has more radar range than the rafale. Simple as that rbe 2 radar is obviously good enough but saying that it is equal to apg 77/81 is just wrong...

What is Required is the Ability to Perform in intense Jamming Environment

If RBE2 can guide the Meteor to the Target , inspite of Jamming , the battle is won

F 35 and F 22 are obviously superior to Rafale

Rafale is as good as F 15 Strike Eagle and Su 35

But we cannot Buy US fighters
 
720 is a very low figure considering that even a small AESA with over 720 TRMs wherein every TRM is a radar in itself, can overwhelm this figure.
But you can't do anything with a unitary T/R module: such a module used alone is omnidirectional! It is the phase shift between such modules that makes it possible to form a Radar beam. Even using 100 T/R modules one would have a very poor radar.