MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions
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The way they have *censored*ed over the urban voters these days, they are uniting and energising the Dems. All the minorities who voted for Trump or at the very least did not show up for voting are going to vote next time. Not to mention, American economy is in for a big surprise.
Given the C4ISR integration taking place across the services, it's only a matter a time before IN and IAF jets can talk to each other. The IN's Link-2 TDL is fully indigenous (WESEE-BEL) and the IAF has recently introduced its own Vayulink TDL (whether it replaces ODL, I do not know).
During exercises, IN ships plug into the USN CENTRIX network for building situational awareness. We have CEC capability within the IN but not with USN and/or NATO navies. We don't use the same kit.
I agree but there could be commercial reasons behind it too. A 114-unit order from the IAF would keep the Viper/Eagle-2 production line going for 10+ years. If the US really wanted to they could agree to fit a gateway/relay payload to an MQ-9B or P-8I. It was demonstrated on a U-2 some time ago iirc.
Even the RuAF doesn't want more Su-57 then why the heck should we go for it? And then again make our inventory a huge mess with so many varieties.Once again: No F-35. Su-57 is coming in some form or another. All, just wait n watch@marich01
We need jets that can fight across 4 different geographies at the same time, and we need to produce them inhouse too. So getting all that tested and negotiated isn't easy.
So let's hope 4-5 years this time.
What do you mean?
Do you kow the fact that India had pulled back from SU57 program in 2018 or so? Reason for that action is SU57 is not stealthy as IAF wants. I dont think anything had changed in that since.
If IAF is procuring SU57 as a replacement for kiran aircraft for surya kiran team, yeas its fine. Its pretty good in aerobatics.
They will buy 500+ in different variants. It's their mainstay for the next 40 years.
But yeah, adding a new jet would require the jet to have capabilities MRFA and AMCA cannot provide. I don't see the Su-57 family meeting that expectation.
The su-57 is in a middle of an upgrade program. When it's done the su-57 will finally have a fifth gen engine with 3d thrust vectoring, 400km r-37(export versions are effective at 200+km).
It's the r-37m and we need something that can atleast provide problems to the j-20. Su-57 with r-37m will be problematic. And we do need aircrafts to replace the su-30mki's air superiority role. The AMCA will be too late. The f-35 won't be inducted in significant numbers to really provide a game changing effect. With the su-57 we can atleast keep the entirety of plaaf and paf's 4th gen inventory at a distance. The rafale with its meteor can't provide that effect simply because we don't have Rafales in significant numbers. The su-57 might not be good against the f-35 but against 4.5,4,3.5 gen fighters it will perform considerably well. And IAF had always kept it's options open regarding the FGFA. The main gripe of the IAF with the su-57 is the lack of stealthy engine on top of the mediocre stealth. But at 0.5 sqm RCS it pretty much can take out most aircrafts in paf and plaaf arsenal.
And once a supposed su-60mki/FGFA equivalent comes we can add new irst, virupaksha variant radar, astra mk3, rudram and many more munitions. The AMCA will enter service likely in 2035+ optimistically. So for the next decade we need some fifth gen fighters. The f-35 will be of limited use because of American restrictions on customisation. With su-57 thanks to its lesser sophistication we can go do a far deeper customisation and take those learnings and transfer it on amca mk2.
The su-57's radar can detect targets with an RCS (Radar Cross Section) of 0.1 square meters at a range of up to 90 km.
So basically everything from f-16,j-10,jf-17,j-11,j-16 can basically be pushed back around 150km in their airspace with the su-57/r-37m combo. This cannot be done with the meteor simply because we don't have the numbers and in case of attrition we don't have the option to license produce the meteor like the r-37m right now.
the approximate frontal Radar Cross Section (RCS) of the J-20 in different frequency bands is as follows:
X Band (8150 MHz): The mean frontal RCS is approximately 0.28 m².
S Band (3150 MHz): The mean frontal RCS is approximately 0.27 m².
L Band (1150 MHz): The mean frontal RCS is approximately 0.32 m².
VHF Band (150 MHz): The mean frontal RCS is approximately 1.39 m
So a su-57 could be positioned relatively competitively considering they will detect each other at similar ranges with the irst involved.
X Band (8150 MHz): The mean frontal RCS is approximately 0.28 m².
S Band (3150 MHz): The mean frontal RCS is approximately 0.27 m².
L Band (1150 MHz): The mean frontal RCS is approximately 0.32 m².
VHF Band (150 MHz): The mean frontal RCS is approximately 1.39 m
So a su-57 could be positioned relatively competitively considering they will detect each other at similar ranges with the irst involved.
R37 is offered to us now on MKI. And its still the same aircraft we rejected in 2018 when PLAAF flying j20 in Numbers, so SU57 is really a sh!ty aircraft.
When comes to radars, don't sell the Russian propognda here, IAF is going for a Desi radar for mki upgrades over OEM radars, says everything.
Su-57 needs time to fully mature which we don't have. Afaik it's not in full scale production yet and Russia has shied away from deploying it to Ukraine so far. Such a deployment would have been the perfect advertisement for the jet's capabilities. However, they chose to only use it in Syria (i.e a low threat AD environment) and that too under the shadow of forward-deployed S-400 units. This tells me the bird is not ready for combat yet. Algeria is buying the Felon so we'll know soon enough if it really is good enough for our needs.Once again: No F-35. Su-57 is coming in some form or another. All, just wait n watch
Michelle Obama is out of the picture and no one else has the national appeal to take on Trump, imo, Who do you think the Dems will rally around for 2029?
