MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions

What is your favorite for MMRCA 2.0 ?

  • F-35 Blk 4

    Votes: 31 13.1%
  • Rafale F4

    Votes: 187 78.9%
  • Eurofighter Typhoon T3

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • Gripen E/F

    Votes: 6 2.5%
  • F-16 B70

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • F-18 SH

    Votes: 9 3.8%
  • F-15EX

    Votes: 9 3.8%
  • Mig-35

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Total voters
    237
I don't think you understand a lot, but just to make it clear IAF has two different requirements. One for Gripen class and another for Rafale class.

Lol the old made up story again, you even admitted here before, that you were wrong and now come up with that nonsense again, just to distract from contradicting yourself, while making up stories about MRCA.
 
5 years on duty because the PESA was shitty. You simply can't deny the facts of larger size and wide field of regard. RBE 2 was suppose to counter that, with GaN and side arrays, not with additional A2G modes.
The PESA equipped Rafale won technically against F15 in Korea....

Size? wider field? For the time being there is nothing half comparable in the other european fleets. European alternatives are sci fi for the moment.
 
The PESA equipped Rafale won technically against F15 in Korea....

On the contrary, because it was realised that the PESA performance is the main problem for winning exports, the AESA development started. Do you think the PESA could have supported Meteor like Captor M or the ES-05 do today?
RBE 2 AESA was a desperate need for Rafale, but having that technology 1st, doesn't make RBE2 as good or better than other AESAs (remember UAE and APG 81?).
So when others have the same tech, you need to further develop RBE 2, to keep up with the capabilities or even stay ahead. If Captor E for example would be the first radar with EA capability, it would be a major disappointment for Rafale, which was developed with advanced EW and jamming capability from the start! But just as SPECTRA is not special anymore and is partially even surpassed, RBE 2 will suffer the same faith without proper upgrades.
 
Btw for those that still belive in fast tracking modernisation of the government and MMRCA 2.0 coming soon

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"The Committee fail to understand the reasoning behind this allocation where the amount allocated under Capital Budget 2018-19 does not even fulfill the MoDs obligations towards committed liabilities"

"reduced allocations might lead to postponement of payments to it's vendors"

"the shortfall in funds leaves no scope for providing any impetus to modernisation"
 
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Supported by Sweden, Saab has today submitted its proposal for the Swiss New Fighter Aircraft procurement to armasuisse, the Swiss defence procurement agency. Saab offers Gripen E and a comprehensive industrial participation programme for Swiss industry corresponding to 100 percent of the contract value.

The proposal consisting of options for 30, and 40, new build Gripen E fighter aircraft is a response to the Request for Proposal (RFP), which armasuisse issued 6 July 201
 
On the contrary, because it was realised that the PESA performance is the main problem for winning exports, the AESA development started.
The RBE2 was planned to be an AESA from the beginning of its design. The development of the AESA therefore did not start after the Korean case but well before.

And the failure of the Rafale in Korea has nothing to do with technical arguments and everything to do with political arguments:
The US manufacturer, however, appears virtually assured of winning after the South Korean ministry of national defence stated "diplomatic considerations" would be taken into account during the second round of the evaluation. The F-15K has long been seen as the front-runner due to South Korea's close defence ties with the USA.

South Korean race is down to two
 
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The RBE2 was planned to be an AESA from the beginning of its design. The development of the AESA therefore did not start after the Korean case but well before.

Development of an AESA radar and a production version for Rafale are separate things (as you often pointed out wrt EFs AESA) and the rush to develop the production version, is solely based on the poor performance of the PESA.
 
Development of an AESA radar and a production version for Rafale are separate things (as you often pointed out wrt EFs AESA) and the rush to develop the production version, is solely based on the poor performance of the PESA.
There has been no rush to develop the AESA simply Thales has not fallen behind, unlike other well-known ones. :)
 
Hehe, contrary to your earlier informations, recent reports about Radar 1+ suggest that they could be further ahead then expected.

Initialy it was planned to be available before RBE2 AESA! The British are very strong for announcements and not too strong for realizations.
 
On the contrary, because it was realised that the PESA performance is the main problem for winning exports, the AESA development started. Do you think the PESA could have supported Meteor like Captor M or the ES-05 do today?
RBE 2 AESA was a desperate need for Rafale, but having that technology 1st, doesn't make RBE2 as good or better than other AESAs (remember UAE and APG 81?).
So when others have the same tech, you need to further develop RBE 2, to keep up with the capabilities or even stay ahead. If Captor E for example would be the first radar with EA capability, it would be a major disappointment for Rafale, which was developed with advanced EW and jamming capability from the start! But just as SPECTRA is not special anymore and is partially even surpassed, RBE 2 will suffer the same faith without proper upgrades.
PESA radar was efficient, just range limited to a M2000-5 one.
But with PESA (and MICA), Rafale won in Korea. Just a fact.
Every air force needs to be on top. PESA was a solution for the 1990-2000. AESA is a today solution. GaN is a tomorrow solution. and so one...

and Rafale with PESA can fire Meteor ! on a big RCS target, alone. On a small RCS target with the help of another fighter or a Awacs via L16.

RBE2AESA and APG81 : already discussed at least twice.
 
Who's wrong ???
The information about a rafale lost came from a russian source.... Just wait now.
And it seems that it was a Chinese jet that crashed. That's what happens when you try to knock-off a Hawk but you're too shit to even do that right. Let that be a lesson to people buying cheap Chinese knock-offs, the quality will bring you back down to Earth rapidly.

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PESA radar was efficient, just range limited to a M2000-5 one...
...and Rafale with PESA can fire Meteor !

Efficient, but range limited compared to a pulse doppler radar, but still can fire Meteor? 😅

In short, Rafale needed AESA, while others didn't!